Re: >^..^< The cats on Candlemas 2008

"David Friedman" <ddfr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
> In article <U1opj.41959$ow.26499@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> "Karl Johanson" <karljohanson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> >> Abortion is a comparatively minor sin, according to the Bible.
>>
>> ><<big snip>>
>>
>> >Your citations are ALL from the OT, concerning the Mosaic law.
>>
>> Two examples rates an all caps "ALL"? Hmmm...
>>
>> The 'New Testement' clearly states that all the leaders or all
>> nations
>> are there at god's will, as there is only god's will and that you
>> must
>> submit yourself to that will. In your country's example: Richard
>> Nixon
>> was the leader when it was made it illegal for individual states in
>> the
>> US to ban abortion. That (according to the New Testament) was god's
>> will.
>
> I don't follow the logic of your argument.

My initial point is that (according to the Bible) abortion (abortion 
violently induced by another in this case) is considered a minor sin 
compared to picking up sticks on Saturday. The idea above is adding to 
the point. God put leaders in charge of nations, knowing that abortion 
(decided upon by the pregnant person in this case) would be made legal 
(or kept legal) during their terms. It was god's will that abortion be 
made legal in some places and to be made illegal in others (Stalinist 
Russia, for example).

>You seem to be assuming that
> if God makes it possible to do something, he must also approve of you
> doing it-that the only possible view of a world controlled by God is
> something close to "everything permitted is required, everything not
> required is prohibited."

I'm not 'assuming' that at all. I was talking about what the Bible and 
one of the Catholic catechisms say outright. That there is only god's 
will, that the leaders of all nations are there by god's will and that 
we're supposed to submit to that will. That abortion was made legal in 
some areas by god's will, isn't evidence that god wants everyone who 
can, to rush out and have an abortion. It's evidence that she considers 
it a minor sin (if a sin at all). Again, inducing a spontaneous abortion 
in another man's wife, is considered a property crime, in the Bible, 
with a fine owing to the husband.

I think it's superstitious nonsense, but the Bible and Catholic
Catechism 1918 are pretty clear, if you put any stock in them.

>Surely that's inconsistent with the Catholic position on free will.

Yes it is. The idea that there is only god's will, and that we also have 
free will is self contradictory. Democracy is an illusion, as the ones 
god want in power get there and our 'free choice' is a delusion from our 
puppet master. Or the Bible and the Catholic Catechism's are just 
words...

Karl Johanson