"Harry Mary Andruschak" <adoptsoldcats@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>On Feb 7, 9:57?pm, "Karl Johanson" <karljohan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Harry just said that the ten commandments are still used by the
>> Catholics. The one about picking up sticks on Saturday is part of one
>> of
>> those commandments.
>????????????????
>What Commandment might be?
Exodus 35 (Catholic Bible) :1 "And all the multitude of the children of
Israel being gathered together, he said to them: These are the things
which the Lord hath COMMANDED (emphasis added) to be done: 2 Six days
you shall do work; the seventh day shall be holy unto you, the sabbath
and the rest of the Lord: he that shall do any work on it, shall be put
to death. 3 You shall kindle no fire in any of your habitations on the
sabbath day. 4 And Moses said to all the assembly of the children of
Israel: This is the word the Lord hath COMMANDED (emphasis added) "
Numbers 15: (Catholic Bible) 32 "And it came to pass, when the children
of Israel were in the wilderness, and had found a man gathering sticks
on the sabbath day, 33 That they brought him to Moses and Aaron and the
whole multitude. 34 And they put him into prison, not knowing what they
should do with him. 35 And the Lord said to Moses: Let that man die, let
all the multitude stone him without the camp. 36 And when they had
brought him out, they stoned him, and he died as the Lord had COMMANDED
(emphasis added). 37 The Lord also said to Moses: 38 Speak to the
children of Israel, and thou shalt tell them to make to themselves
fringes in the corners of their garments, putting in them ribands of
blue: Fringes... The Pharisees enlarged these fringes through hypocrisy
to appear more zealous than other men for the law of God. 39 That when
they shall see them, they may remember ALL THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD
(emphasis added), and not follow their own thoughts and eyes going
astray after divers things, "
>That bit about picking up sticks or not on
>Saturday may be part of the Mosaic law but...again, the Mosaic law has
>been superceeded by The New Covenant.
Again, it's part of the Commandments, which you said you still have to
follow. And some of the new Covenant is pretty straightforward. The old
laws are in place (Catholic Catechism 577 confirms that), but there's
some added stuff, like the implication that lusting in your heart is as
bad as killing and 'speech crimes' which can get you hell fire'd, like
calling someone a fool.
>I might add that some Sundays see me scooping out the cats litter
>boxes, and thoroughly scrubbing out one or two before fillling up with
>fresh litter. Why? From the booklet OUTLINES OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH
>concerning the 3rd Commandment (what you had in mind?)
Or 4th, if you belong to some of the Pope declared 'fake churches'.
>"Sundays are a day of rest; we should abstain from all unecessary
>work."
*Severely confused tone of voice* "Unnecessary?"
You really haven't read the Bible have you? If you skipped to the end,
you would notice something. Just before Jesus is quoted as having said,
"Surely I come Quickly." there's a very clear bit:
Revelations 22 (Catholic Bible) : 18 "For I testify to every one that
heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to
these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book. "
You added just a word to the Bible, out of personal convenience. You
added the word "unnecessary".
If Elohim is real, I quite sincerely hope that that Rev is pretty
specific on what's considered "prophesy" or that you can fast talk your
way out of the Biblical plagues thing... If so, how will you feel if you
wind up spending eternity singing to god in the clouds, while some poor
souls are earlobe deep in flaming sulphur,
in part because they bought into your personally revised version of the
that Commandment? Put a bit of a crimp in the pure joy of praising god
maybe? Maybe not. Maybe your empathy for dammed souls will wear thin
after a few quintillion years and you can put all your efforts into
singing, whole souledly.
Exodus 20: (Catholic Bible) "8 Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath
day. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and shalt do all thy works. 10 But on
the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: thou shalt do no
work on it, thou nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor
thy maidservant, nor thy beast, nor the stranger that is within thy
gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea,
and all things that are in them, and rested on the seventh day:
therefore the Lord blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it. "
And just in case someone penciled the word "unnecessary" into Ex 20: 10
in your Bible, or in case "...do no work..." is even slightly unclear,
the Commandments are reiterated in somewhat different words:
Deuteronomy 5 (Catholic Bible) 12 "Observe the day of the sabbath, to
sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee. 13 Six days shalt
thou labour, and shalt do all thy works. 14 The seventh is the day of
the sabbath, that is, the rest of the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not do
ANY (emphasis added) work therein, thou nor thy son nor thy daughter,
nor thy manservant nor thy maidservant, nor thy ox, nor thy ass, nor any
of thy beasts, nor the stranger that is within thy gates: that thy
manservant and thy maidservant may rest, even as thyself. 15 Remember
that thou also didst serve in Egypt, and the Lord thy God brought thee
out from thence with a strong hand, and a stretched out arm. Therefore
hath he commanded thee that thou shouldst observe the sabbath day. "
Please note an absolute lack of the word "unnecessary" in that lot.
"Thou shall not do any work" in one version and "...do no work..." in
the other version. Pretty clear stuff.
Any other Commandments you want to modify?
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, unless she's really hot.
Honour thy mother and father, unless they act like bags.
Thou shalt not make to thy self a graven thing, nor the likeness of any
things, that are in heaven above, or that are in the earth beneath, or
that abide in the waters under the earth, unless it's a really cool set
of Star Trek figurines.
>If it is necessary to five-six-pick-up-sticks, go right ahead.
I don't have a problem with that, as I think god's fictitious.
>We are also asked to "cultivate our familial, cultural, social, and
>religious lives." THAT'S ALL.
You left out some stuff, like 'if you're a slave, obey your master, even
if they're abusive'.
>Not to be confused with the Mosaic law, OK?
Not only have you gotten those parts of the Bible wrong (with your
conveniently added, god defying word), you've taken them out of context.
Catholic Catechism 2057 "The Decalogue must first be understood in the
context of the Exodus,..."
As above, this is a big piece of Exodusian context for the Catholic 3rd
commandment. Exodus 35:1 (NKJV) Then Moses gathered all the congregation
of the children of Israel together, and said to them, "These [are] the
words which the Lord has commanded [you] to do: 2 "Work shall be done
for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath
of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.
If you decide it's okay to do work on the Sabbath (and to not kill those
who do), onacounta the New
Covenant, go ahead. I won't be hucking any rocks at you. Just don't
pretend that means you're still following the Commandments (again "Thou
shall not do any work" and "...do no work..." are clear and unambiguous
and DON'T have the word "unnecessary" attached). The New Covenant and
the Commandments are contradictory. It looks like part of your brain has
Spocked that out already, which is likely why you imperilled your
immortal soul by added the eminently convenient word "unnecessary" to
part of the Bible. It doesn't make even the slightest bit of sense
without the added word.
>Back to litter boxes. Mother Mary most likely had to change Jesus's
>diapers on the Sabbath, and maybe even wash them. So I can do the same
>for my cats, right?
You're at liberty to believe any religious conjectures you like, even
mutually exclusive ones as above. I'm at liberty to not respect your
choice to believe a religion which has a holy book which says that
people like me are vile, corrupt and incapable of doing good.
I respect that you care for your pets.
Karl Johanson
Catholic Catechism 2057 "The Decalogue must first be understood in the
context of the Exodus, God's great liberating event at the center of the
Old Covenant. Whether formulated as negative commandments, prohibitions,
or as positive precepts such as: "Honor your father and mother," the
"ten words" point out the conditions of a life freed from the slavery of
sin. The Decalogue is a path of life:
If you love the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by
keeping his commandments and his statutes and his ordinances, then you
shall live and multiply.
This liberating power of the Decalogue appears, for example, in the
commandment about the sabbath rest, directed also to foreigners and
slaves:
You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and
the LORD your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an
outstretched arm."
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