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Re: Not always joking, it seems

by Edward McArdle <mcardle@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 16, 2008 at 11:00 AM

In article 
<d039bc79-e45e-4e34-b564-74d55eb5a974@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 Willie.Mookie@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

> On Feb 15, 12:12 pm, Jette <bossl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > Wim Lewis wrote:
> >
> > > On-topic, how have SF stories dealt with random murderous
outbusrsts?
> >
> > Judge Dredd - people who suffered from something called "future shock"
> > would break out in spontaneous random violent attacks on those around
> > them.
> >
> > --
> > Jette Goldie
> >
je...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > livejournal.com/
> > ("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)
> 
> I was in Australia recently.  They have poker machines at every bar it
> seems. Pokies they're called affectionately.  They are Skinner
> machines designed to just give enough reward during play to bleed you
> dry.  You win on occasion.  But only so much, and in the end you
> lose.  Its called a reinforcement schedule to maximize revenue..
> 
> I was reflecting on what Skinner said about society being like a big
> Skinner machine you cannot escape. The whole of society becomes a
> large reinforcement schedule that promises rich rewards throughout but
> in reality, takes everything from you that you've got and play ends
> when you are broke.
> 
> The more efficient we become along this path, the bleaker things will
> be - and in the end, large populations of lucky and unlucky folk alike
> will have become desensitized to the messages used to fleece them - by
> and large those messages are the fabric that holds society together.
> At that point all hell will break loose.
> 
> We haven't seen nothing yet.
> 
> There are many new crimes and criminals waiting to happen.
> 
> I wonder what might have happened if the fellow had had the presence
> of mind to plan his escape, and then do it again?   The guy and his
> kid who outfitted his car with a sniper's nest and drove around the
> country killing people stopped the nation.  A handful of people like
> that would be the end of freedom and free movement.  Not only would we
> have guns removed from our possession, but we'd also find moving from
> one sector of a city to another would be like boarding a plane these
> days.
> 
> The standing armeis of police would themselves become a threat.  In
> Rio - there are off-duty police officers that cruise through the
> barrios killing kids that are homeless - sometimes after taunting them
> or robbing them or worse.  Them being police and all not much is
> done.  Their targets are chosen too - they are defenseless and have no
> one looking out for them.  Burdens on society.
> 
> I recall the streets of Beruit after the US embassy bombing during the
> Reagan administration.  People who travelled through the middle east
> wondered if this was a sea change for America?  I looked at the burned
> out skyscrapers and rubble strewn streets of Beruit - and saw that ALL
> cities some day would become equally uninhabitable.
> 
> This was well before 9/11.
> 
> The delicious thrill and joy of walking through the streets of
> Manhattan on a lovely spring day - or a relaxed Sunday brunch at a
> cafe in Paris in the summer - are things that my grand children will
> likely not enjoy - and its too bad.
> 
> Telerobotics may be favored over air-travel at some point - or even
> travel outside one's home - as a security measure.

Fairly basic to this letter is the concept that everyone has a gun.
This does apply in some countries besides America, but not many 
civilised ones.

-- 
my URL,
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~mcardle




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Re: Not always joking, it seems
Willie.Mookie@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-15 13:03:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-15 13:12:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-15 18:11:20 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-02-15 17:33:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Edward McArdle <mcardl  2008-02-16 11:00:30 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-15 19:34:43 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-16 02:03:22 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-15 21:07:55 
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Tim Merrigan <tppm@[EM  2008-02-15 19:24:30 
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David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-15 23:48:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-16 08:44:26 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-16 13:09:56 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-16 10:15:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-16 18:19:31 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-16 18:18:10 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-16 19:56:06 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-19 07:16:04 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 17:26:52 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-16 00:14:21 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-15 21:37:50 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-15 18:59:43 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-16 05:50:33 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-16 03:37:20 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-02-16 04:52:10 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-16 18:24:21 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-16 22:32:22 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-17 18:13:42 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-16 16:37:50 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-16 14:17:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-16 05:49:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-15 19:47:05 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Tim Merrigan <tppm@[EM  2008-02-15 19:29:54 
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"Marcus L. Rowland&q  2008-02-19 08:35:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 12:27:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 12:15:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Dimensional Travele  2008-02-19 20:36:42 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
William Hyde <wthyde19  2008-02-19 09:46:25 
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David McMillan <spamtr  2008-02-23 20:45:26 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-24 04:02:10 
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"AJ" <tortur  2008-02-24 05:32:26 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-24 06:13:59 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-24 18:03:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"pullo" <pul  2008-02-25 06:37:58 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-25 20:27:12 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David McMillan <spamtr  2008-02-25 15:12:01 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-25 03:43:30 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-25 06:40:26 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-26 01:24:14 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-26 19:51:25 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-28 01:48:08 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-27 21:01:36 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-03-01 21:04:11 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-02 21:04:28 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-03-02 22:45:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-03-03 20:12:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David McMillan <spamtr  2008-02-25 15:15:02 
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David McMillan <spamtr  2008-02-25 14:52:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"pullo" <pul  2008-02-26 20:09:10 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-24 18:50:44 
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"Marcus L. Rowland&q  2008-02-19 22:40:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-19 20:23:49 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 22:38:28 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-19 19:44:36 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 23:44:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-20 16:38:56 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 22:37:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Robert Sneddon <fred@[  2008-02-20 20:37:22 
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lathamr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-21 13:35:53 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-21 18:58:30 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-22 00:05:37 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-21 20:10:16 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 16:53:59 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-02-21 16:57:40 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-22 08:14:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-22 00:22:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Robert Sneddon <fred@[  2008-02-20 20:44:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-20 19:56:40 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-20 14:02:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-20 22:24:03 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-22 12:43:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 21:28:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-22 20:58:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 20:39:27 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-23 13:15:21 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 19:52:42 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-20 14:44:08 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-20 23:20:58 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-02-20 18:11:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-23 06:51:15 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 10:31:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 18:41:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-02-21 12:47:41 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 18:58:48 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"louann_m@[EMAIL PRO  2008-02-22 15:26:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Robert Sneddon <fred@[  2008-02-26 11:20:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
dbell@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-28 07:35:22 

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