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Re: Not always joking, it seems

by "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 15, 2008 at 07:47 PM

<Willie.Mookie@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> I was in Australia recently.  They have poker machines at every bar
> it seems. Pokies they're called affectionately.  They are Skinner
> machines designed to just give enough reward during play to bleed
> you dry.  You win on occasion.  But only so much, and in the end you
> lose.  Its called a reinforcement schedule to maximize revenue..

What pro****tion of people play those poker machines?  And what
pro****tion of their salaries do they lose?  If Skinner were correct,
everyone would play, and would continue playing until they were broke.

> I was reflecting on what Skinner said about society being like a big
> Skinner machine you cannot escape.  The whole of society becomes a
> large reinforcement schedule that promises rich rewards throughout
> but in reality, takes everything from you that you've got and play
> ends when you are broke.

Society, unlike poker, is not a zero-sum game.  Everyone can get
wealthier.

> The more efficient we become along this path, the bleaker things
> will be - and in the end, large populations of lucky and unlucky
> folk alike will have become desensitized to the messages used to
> fleece them -

That's always been the case.  Most people ignore most ads, and
always have.

> by and large those messages are the fabric that holds society
> together.  At that point all hell will break loose.

Why?

> The guy and his kid who outfitted his car with a sniper's nest and
> drove around the country killing people stopped the nation.

No, they didn't even stop Silver Spring, Maryland, the town in
which they did most of their killing.  Capclave (WSFA's annual SF
convention) was held there at the peak of the killing spree.  As I
helped dealers unload their cars, I made a perfect target.  But I
wasn't afraid, nor was anyone else I met.  The convention was a
great success.

> A handful of people like that would be the end of freedom and
> free movement.

It's possible that government would use them as an excuse to get
rid of freedom, it's true.

> The standing armeis of police would themselves become a threat.

They've always been a bigger threat than criminals.  You're not
talking about anything new.
-- 
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html
before emailing me.
 




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Re: Not always joking, it seems
Willie.Mookie@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-15 13:03:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-15 13:12:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-15 18:11:20 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-02-15 17:33:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Edward McArdle <mcardl  2008-02-16 11:00:30 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-15 19:34:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-16 02:03:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-15 21:07:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Tim Merrigan <tppm@[EM  2008-02-15 19:24:30 
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David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-15 23:48:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-16 08:44:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-16 13:09:56 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-16 10:15:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-16 18:19:31 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-16 18:18:10 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-16 19:56:06 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-19 07:16:04 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 17:26:52 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-16 00:14:21 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-15 21:37:50 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-15 18:59:43 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-16 05:50:33 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-16 03:37:20 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-02-16 04:52:10 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-16 18:24:21 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-16 22:32:22 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-17 18:13:42 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-16 16:37:50 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-16 14:17:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-16 05:49:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-15 19:47:05 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Tim Merrigan <tppm@[EM  2008-02-15 19:29:54 
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"Marcus L. Rowland&q  2008-02-19 08:35:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 12:27:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 12:15:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Dimensional Travele  2008-02-19 20:36:42 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
William Hyde <wthyde19  2008-02-19 09:46:25 
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David McMillan <spamtr  2008-02-23 20:45:26 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-24 04:02:10 
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"AJ" <tortur  2008-02-24 05:32:26 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-24 06:13:59 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-24 18:03:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"pullo" <pul  2008-02-25 06:37:58 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-25 20:27:12 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David McMillan <spamtr  2008-02-25 15:12:01 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-25 03:43:30 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-25 06:40:26 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-26 01:24:14 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-26 19:51:25 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-28 01:48:08 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-27 21:01:36 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-03-01 21:04:11 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-02 21:04:28 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-03-02 22:45:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-03-03 20:12:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David McMillan <spamtr  2008-02-25 15:15:02 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David McMillan <spamtr  2008-02-25 14:52:11 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-26 20:09:10 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-24 18:50:44 
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"Marcus L. Rowland&q  2008-02-19 22:40:52 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-19 20:23:49 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 22:38:28 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-19 19:44:36 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 23:44:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-20 16:38:56 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 22:37:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Robert Sneddon <fred@[  2008-02-20 20:37:22 
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lathamr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-21 13:35:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-21 18:58:30 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-22 00:05:37 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-21 20:10:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 16:53:59 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-02-21 16:57:40 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-22 08:14:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-22 00:22:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Robert Sneddon <fred@[  2008-02-20 20:44:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-20 19:56:40 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-20 14:02:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-20 22:24:03 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-22 12:43:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 21:28:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-22 20:58:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 20:39:27 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-23 13:15:21 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 19:52:42 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-20 14:44:08 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-20 23:20:58 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-02-20 18:11:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-23 06:51:15 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
ken65@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 10:31:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 18:41:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-02-21 12:47:41 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 18:58:48 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"louann_m@[EMAIL PRO  2008-02-22 15:26:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Robert Sneddon <fred@[  2008-02-26 11:20:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
dbell@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-28 07:35:22 

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