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Re: Not always joking, it seems

by Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 18, 2008 at 09:42 PM

throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Wayne Throop) wrote in
news:1203365192@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

>:: (again, as there are no schools where all the students are
>:: required to pack side arms). 
> 
>: Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>: And never, ever will, and no one has ever proposed that it
>: should. 
> 
> Well... Willie Mookie, 

Yeah, that's a credit source.

> as a hypothetical

Which sup****ts what I said.
> 
>  From: Willie.Mookie@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Message-ID:
>  <5990613d-9cc0-4bf0-ad13-afdbe3ce3bc8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  om> I was imagining what might have happened in a Heinlein
>  version of events - where all the kids packed side arms.
> 
>     (of course, that's "did" not "required", but still)
> 
> So, as far as "this would happen in the real world if Charlton
> Heston gets his way", it's a straw man.  As a response to WM,
> not as much straw. 

Just irrelevant, in the way anti-gun arguments always are?
> 
> In the hypothetical, the claim was that the potential berserk
> with a gun has only two choices: he doesn't brandish it
> threateningly, and zero people die, or he does, and one person
> dies (that is, his own self).  It's fairly legitimate to point
> out that there are intermediates.

It's also fairly legitimate to point out that we have real world 
data, and the intermediates that were hypothesized simply don't 
happen.

>  I find the specific proposed
> intermediate where (slight exageration) "all die, oh the
> embarassment" to be particularly unlikely.  None of the examples
> of friendly fire or panic fire into innocents were *that* bad,
> to my initial impression. 

Nor even remotely similiar in circumstance.

> But still, it's a legitimate point in
> response to the WM hypothetical. 

To the extent the hypothetical was legitimate, which it wasn't on 
accounta being stupid.

-- 
Terry Austin

"There's no law west of the internet."
    - Nick Stump

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
 




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Re: Not always joking, it seems
throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-18 20:06:32 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 21:42:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 19:57:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 20:08:19 

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