Arthur Hansen <arthurh3535@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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> On Feb 18, 3:21 pm, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <tausti...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> "Jay E. Morris" <morr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>> innews:47b9fcb3$0$16667$4c3
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>> > On 18-Feb-2008, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
>> > <tausti...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >> In Florida, if you apply for a concealed carry permit, if
>> >> you have not criminal record, and are not currently a mental
>> >> patient committed against your will, the powers that be are
>> >> pretty much required to approve it. In short, virtually the
>> >> entire adult population of Florida *can* carry concealed,
>> >> legally, if they choose. Other states are nearly as liberal
>> >> in their laws (Texas comes to mind). Given the publicity of
>> >> the change in the law in
>>
>> > Yes. Start my concealed handgun license (CHL) class in two
>> > weeks.
>>
>> Required or not, it's a damned good idea. As is both safety and
>> marksman****p training, as well as regular (and frequent)
>> practice.
>>
>> >> Florida (and the predictions of rivers of blood clogging up
>> >> the storm drains), it's hard to imagine there are very many
>> >> people in Florida would *like* to get a ccw permit, but
>> >> don't know how easy it is.
>>
>> >> But, in real life, they have something like 3% who choose to
>> >> get the permit, and less who choose to carry at any given
>> >> time.
>>
>> > In Texas, I think what keeps the numbers down are the costs.
>> > Anywhere from $90-125 for the class, then the cost for
>> > fingerprinting, notary, range time, etc. Then $140 for the
>> > license itself. So total cost could be close to $300.
>>
>> Still, that's less than the cost of a decent quality pistol
>> (and much less than the cost of a good one).
>>
>>
>>
>> >> So, in the end, your question is nonsensical. A more
>> >> productive question would be to ask about places where "a
>> >> large fraction of the population *can* go around armed if
>> >> they choose," and the answer is, there are plenty of places.
>> >> Hell, Vermont doesn't even require a permit, last I heard.
>> >> In Arizone, concealed carry is somewhat regulated, but open
>> >> carry is a god-given right (and you see it, six-shooters on
>> >> the hip, in quite a few places).
>>
>> > Susprising to many people, Texas is NOT an open carry state.
>>
>> I believe the only state that is open carry and really means it
>> is Arizona. Technically, California is an open carry state,
>> last I heard, but woe unto the poor slob that tries it, even
>> here behing the Orange Curtain.
>
> Incorrect as far as I can tell.
Be sure to take in to account the "and really means it" part. As I
said, open carry is technically legal in California, but you'll be
arrested for it regardless.
> There are actually only eight
> states (that I could tell from the map I googled) that are
> *specifically* illegal to carry open carry firearms.
>
> There are at least that many that are open carry with no
> licenses and twice that have licensed open carry. I double
> checked, because I remembered that Utah had a law were it was
> quite legal to carry a firearm on your hip, but not under your
> jacket.
The proof is in the pudding, though. There's little practical
difference between being arrested for open carry and being arrested
for, say, disturbing the peace when the only difference between and
the guy next to you is the pistol on your hip. Hence, the "and
really means it" part.
>
>> > If
>> > you have a CHL and allow your weapon to be seen you can be
>> > fined.
>>
>> Unless, of course, you do it on purpose for a good reason. :)
>>
>> --
>> Terry Austin
>>
>> "There's no law west of the internet."
>> - Nick Stump
>>
>> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
>
> How many people do need to carry firearms though? One in ten to
> be 'safe'?
Who cares? If allowing open or concealed carry causes no problems -
and all credible evidence suggests that's the case - why restrict
it? How many people *need* a television?
--
Terry Austin
"There's no law west of the internet."
- Nick Stump
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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