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Re: Not always joking, it seems

by David Friedman <ddfr@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 19, 2008 at 12:12 PM

In article <fpee2m$100v$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 Matthias Warkus <Warkus@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Karl M. Syring schrieb:
> > On 16 Feb., 09:16, Matthias Warkus <War...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > wrote:
> >> Willie.Moo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 schrieb:
> >>
> >>> Today, we do not hear pundits speak of too cheap to meter - instead
we
> >>> hear pundits say this is the first generation of Americans that will
> >>> not live better than their parents.
> >> Note this has been said about the last two generations already.
> >> "Generation X" came out in 1989, after all.
> > 
> > I admit, It was true in 1989 so it is the second generation getting
> > screwed.
> 
> It seems that you can torture the statistics any way you like on this 
> issue. Conventional wisdom has it that US real wages have been more or 
> less declinining since the 1960s, without ever really picking up in 
> between, but the German Federation of Labour Unions, of all things, 
> maintains they have gone up 30.6 % between 1980 and 2000.

I don't know where your "conventional wisdom" is coming from, but the 
U.S. Statistical Abstract shows per capita money income in constant 
(i.e. inflation adjusted) dollars roughly doubling from 1967 to 2005.

Using 2005 dollars, the 1980 figure is 17,473, the 2006 figure is 
25,036, so by that measure the Federation is understating the growth.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/income_expenditures_poverty_w
ealth.html

I don't know what definition of "US real wages" is being used, but I 
don't think any plausible definition is going to show them declining 
over a period when real per capita income has doubled.

-- 
 http://www.daviddfriedman.com/
http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
 Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
 Published by Baen, in bookstores now
 




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Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl M. Syring"  2008-02-16 10:13:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-02-19 12:20:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 12:12:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-19 20:23:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
ted@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (T  2008-02-20 01:27:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-19 20:46:18 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-20 16:32:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 09:50:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-20 18:05:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 10:32:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Colette Reap <colette@  2008-02-20 20:53:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 12:55:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 20:59:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-02-21 12:04:00 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 10:08:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-02-22 10:59:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 13:30:42 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 10:05:27 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 18:32:38 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:11:18 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Tim Merrigan <tppm@[EM  2008-02-21 10:17:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 18:40:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:24:53 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:34:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Colette Reap <colette@  2008-02-22 19:46:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 13:43:17 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-23 00:07:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 17:02:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-23 00:05:42 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 20:47:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 21:10:59 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 13:42:02 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 10:52:47 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 14:50:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-23 12:54:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-27 14:07:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-27 22:06:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-28 14:07:07 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-28 19:54:45 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-29 17:09:21 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-28 16:31:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:33:17 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-02-26 16:23:47 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 20:28:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-20 17:09:37 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 15:10:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 13:26:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 10:07:01 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 18:38:01 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:08:15 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-22 00:35:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 13:20:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 21:32:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-20 21:45:32 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-21 02:58:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-03-06 18:31:34 
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rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-20 20:15:35 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 21:12:05 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 13:37:17 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-21 15:50:13 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:41:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-26 15:17:48 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 22:25:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 17:36:39 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:25:35 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:42:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 22:22:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-23 00:52:37 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 13:19:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-23 14:22:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 17:30:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:43:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-25 22:54:48 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-25 22:45:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 20:53:24 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-27 20:45:40 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 20:43:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-28 20:23:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-28 04:57:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-28 20:19:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-03-01 05:21:36 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
justinf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-05 16:31:35 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-01 03:29:36 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 14:51:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-23 22:56:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 15:00:44 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-23 23:23:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 15:45:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-23 23:52:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 17:01:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-24 09:47:24 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-24 02:22:03 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:42:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-25 22:51:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 21:11:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 22:40:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 00:41:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 22:57:12 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-21 20:50:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 22:21:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-21 01:57:07 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"pullo" <pul  2008-02-19 21:56:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-19 19:12:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-20 18:33:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 06:01:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"pullo" <pul  2008-02-21 21:22:45 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 21:20:28 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"pullo" <pul  2008-02-24 04:17:48 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 21:42:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 22:48:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Tim Merrigan <tppm@[EM  2008-02-20 10:08:30 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 17:39:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 10:01:56 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-21 23:19:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 01:06:40 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
winston@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-22 10:01:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-22 16:16:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 13:53:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-22 13:46:45 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 15:51:21 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 10:20:12 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-06 03:15:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-26 21:48:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-01 03:31:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-03-03 21:36:14 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-03-04 03:29:30 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-03-03 21:36:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-03-04 11:48:37 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-03-04 21:30:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-03-05 03:40:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-03-04 08:04:26 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-03-04 10:55:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-06 08:05:28 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 14:06:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 14:55:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-23 18:50:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <pbrazee  2008-02-19 18:27:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 22:41:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-19 18:25:03 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 22:28:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-02-20 18:45:24 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 10:24:41 

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