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Re: Not always joking, it seems

by dbell@[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("David G. Bell") Feb 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM

On Tuesday, in article <2008021918272211272-pbrazee@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
     pbrazee@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 "Howard Brazee" wrote:

> On 2008-02-19 13:12:19 -0700, David Friedman 
> <ddfr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said:
> 
> > I don't know where your "conventional wisdom" is coming from, but the
> > U.S. Statistical Abstract shows per capita money income in constant
> > (i.e. inflation adjusted) dollars roughly doubling from 1967 to 2005.
> 
> Part of that is because we have lots more rich people today.   But 
> having the average go up because other people got rich leads towards 
> dissatisfaction and often revolution.
> 
> A better check on "conventional wisdom" is to see how much things got 
> better (or worse) for the average Joe.

There are different sorts of average, with different meanings, and most 
people think of the arithmetic mean, which is the case here, and which 
has that weakness. Consider the per capita income of a slave plantation 
as an extreme example.

Two other sorts of average are the mode and the median, and I sometimes 
get confused by which is which.

One simply ranks samples in order, low to high, and takes the one in the 
middle. What that means depends a little on how things are measured and 
recorded. You might, for instance, split incomes by $1000 dollar steps: 
think of all those marketing surveys. So it might turn up the paid staff 
on the plantation, rather than the slaves or the owner. And, if you work 
on individuals, how do you rank more than one person with the same 
income.

The other, which I think requires that sort of lumping together of the 
measurements, is simply the biggest group. Which in the plantation 
example would be the slaves. In the modern USA, it might be workers on 
minimum wage, or it might be a little above that (and people who are 
working through temp agencies, with lots of little gaps in their 
employment, are going to be lower down the range than their hourly rate 
suggests).

I think I've got all that right enough. Now, what's im****tant is that 
these different sorts of average measure different things. And which you 
use, when you want to say how things have changed, can say a lot about 
what you're trying to do. For example, with the plantation, ending 
slavery might lead to the mean income dropping, or it might increase. 
But the other two measures will give different results.

Most obviously, the income of the largest group, the former slaves, 
increases. What happens to the middle group? I suspect that, since the 
slaves are no longer all at zero, and some will earn more than others, 
the middle group drops down a few steps, but it depends on how the 
groups are defined. And the new middle group won't be the same people.

And those changes will happen without any necessity for a change in the 
mean income.

So, pick the right average, and you have "correct" evidence for slavery 
being good or bad for average incomes.




-- 
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

On the horizon, a carrier task force of the Salvation Navy was 
turning into the wind, preparing to launch Zeppelins.
 




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Re: Not always joking, it seems
dbell@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-20 11:26:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 09:58:47 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 22:34:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 00:42:59 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 13:45:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 23:19:00 

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