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Re: Not always joking, it seems

by David Friedman <ddfr@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 20, 2008 at 09:50 AM

In article <nCYuj.10454$XI.7665@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Keith F. Lynch wrote:
> > Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> >> Keith F. Lynch <kfl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>> I'm really baffled by that claim.  In 1967, the average one-income
> >>> family could afford to buy a house.  By 2005, the average
> >>> two-income family could not, even though 20-year mortgages had been
> >>> replaced by 30-year mortgages.  In 1967, nearly everyone could
> >>> afford medical insurance.  By 2005, tens of millions of Americans
> >>> could not.
> > 
> >> House sizes were in general much smaller in 1967, and they didn't
> >> have a lot of modern amenities.
> > 
> > If people today can afford small houses but not large ones with
> > amenities, why have house sizes and amenities increased?  Why isn't
> > the market providing what people can afford?
> >
> 
> A very good question.  Why do developers have to be FORCED (by law if 
> necessary) to provide "affordable housing" options?

Several possibilities, all of which might be true in different places:

1. What you mean by "affordable" is a combination of house and price at 
which the developer loses money. 

2. In some areas, it's effectively illegal because of zoning laws, 
building codes, and the like, which mandate a level of house that isn't 
what you would consider affordable. That might be deliberate--one 
function of zoning laws is to keep poor people from living in places 
where the majority of the current residents don't want them as neighbors.

3. Because new housing can't compete with old housing at the low end of 
the market. Most of the American poor own cars--but I doubt many of them 
bought the cars new. A large minority of the American poor own their own 
houses--but I doubt many of them were bought new either.

-- 
 http://www.daviddfriedman.com/
http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
 Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
 Published by Baen, in bookstores now
 




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Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl M. Syring"  2008-02-16 10:13:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-02-19 12:20:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 12:12:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-19 20:23:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
ted@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (T  2008-02-20 01:27:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-19 20:46:18 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-20 16:32:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 09:50:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-20 18:05:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 10:32:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Colette Reap <colette@  2008-02-20 20:53:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 12:55:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 20:59:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-02-21 12:04:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 10:08:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-02-22 10:59:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 13:30:42 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 10:05:27 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 18:32:38 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:11:18 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Tim Merrigan <tppm@[EM  2008-02-21 10:17:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 18:40:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:24:53 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:34:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Colette Reap <colette@  2008-02-22 19:46:06 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 13:43:17 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-23 00:07:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 17:02:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-23 00:05:42 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 20:47:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 21:10:59 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 13:42:02 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 10:52:47 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 14:50:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-23 12:54:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-27 14:07:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-27 22:06:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-28 14:07:07 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-28 19:54:45 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-29 17:09:21 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-28 16:31:04 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:33:17 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-02-26 16:23:47 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 20:28:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-20 17:09:37 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 15:10:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 13:26:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 10:07:01 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 18:38:01 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:08:15 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-22 00:35:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 13:20:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 21:32:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-20 21:45:32 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-21 02:58:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-03-06 18:31:34 
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rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-20 20:15:35 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 21:12:05 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 13:37:17 
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rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-21 15:50:13 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:41:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-26 15:17:48 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 22:25:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 17:36:39 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:25:35 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:42:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 22:22:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-23 00:52:37 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 13:19:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-23 14:22:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 17:30:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:43:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-25 22:54:48 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-25 22:45:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 20:53:24 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-27 20:45:40 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 20:43:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-28 20:23:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-28 04:57:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-28 20:19:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-03-01 05:21:36 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
justinf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-05 16:31:35 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-01 03:29:36 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 14:51:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-23 22:56:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 15:00:44 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-23 23:23:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 15:45:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-23 23:52:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 17:01:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-24 09:47:24 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-24 02:22:03 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:42:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-25 22:51:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 21:11:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 22:40:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 00:41:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 22:57:12 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-21 20:50:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 22:21:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-21 01:57:07 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"pullo" <pul  2008-02-19 21:56:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-19 19:12:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-20 18:33:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 06:01:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"pullo" <pul  2008-02-21 21:22:45 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 21:20:28 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"pullo" <pul  2008-02-24 04:17:48 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 21:42:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 22:48:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Tim Merrigan <tppm@[EM  2008-02-20 10:08:30 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 17:39:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 10:01:56 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-21 23:19:16 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 01:06:40 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
winston@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-22 10:01:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-22 16:16:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 13:53:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-22 13:46:45 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 15:51:21 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 10:20:12 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-06 03:15:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-26 21:48:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-01 03:31:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-03-03 21:36:14 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-03-04 03:29:30 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-03-03 21:36:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-03-04 11:48:37 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-03-04 21:30:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-03-05 03:40:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-03-04 08:04:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-03-04 10:55:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-06 08:05:28 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 14:06:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 14:55:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-23 18:50:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <pbrazee  2008-02-19 18:27:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 22:41:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-19 18:25:03 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 22:28:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-02-20 18:45:24 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 10:24:41 

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