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Re: Not always joking, it seems

by "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 20, 2008 at 09:12 PM

<rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Not applicable in the UK.  We don't have "zoning laws" and ALL
>> houses have to be built to "code".

We have "code" in the US too, but it's pretty minimal -- just basic
standards that ensure that the house won't fall down, the wiring won't
set it on fire, and the gas furnace won't asphyxiate the tenants.

> If I read Wikipedia correctly, US zoning laws = UK town and country
> planning. It's the legal framework that stops someone from, for
> instance, putting a factory in the middle of a neighborhood or
> converting a house to a nightclub without getting permission from
> some official agency.  For new residential construction (at least
> in this area) cities typically set the type (multi- or single-unit)
> and density (units per acre) and (for single-unit construction) the
> developer sets a minimum and (maybe) maximum size for each unit via
> contract on the sale of the lot.

Right.  It's mostly the minimum lot sizes that keeps houses
unaffordable.  There seem to be two main reasons for minimum lot
sizes:

* Keeping out the riff-raff.  In other words, "I've got mine, so
  screw you."

* Keeping traffic from becoming even more of a nightmare than it
  already is.  (Maybe they could allow exemptions for houses whose
  owners pledge not to drive?)

>> My flat (apartment) cost 17.5K when we bought it 27 years ago.  It
>> would now cost 190K to buy the same flat in the same street.  Our
>> income hasn't gone up by the same ratio.  Technically we couldn't
>> get a mortgage to buy our own home, if we hadn't already paid off
>> the mortgage.

>> Oh and although it *looks* like we've made a huge profit, anything
>> more or less equivalent would cost us even more.

You haven't made any profit at all until you sell it.  And as you
point out, you'd then have to spend at least that much for another
place to live.  So all that increased property values do for the
owners is raise their property taxes -- often to the point where
they're forced to sell.
-- 
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html
before emailing me.
 




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Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl M. Syring"  2008-02-16 10:13:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-02-19 12:20:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 12:12:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-19 20:23:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
ted@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (T  2008-02-20 01:27:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-19 20:46:18 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-20 16:32:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 09:50:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-20 18:05:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 10:32:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Colette Reap <colette@  2008-02-20 20:53:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 12:55:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 20:59:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-02-21 12:04:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 10:08:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-02-22 10:59:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 13:30:42 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 10:05:27 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 18:32:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:11:18 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Tim Merrigan <tppm@[EM  2008-02-21 10:17:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 18:40:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:24:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:34:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Colette Reap <colette@  2008-02-22 19:46:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 13:43:17 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-23 00:07:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 17:02:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-23 00:05:42 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 20:47:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 21:10:59 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 13:42:02 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 10:52:47 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 14:50:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-23 12:54:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-27 14:07:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-27 22:06:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-28 14:07:07 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-28 19:54:45 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-29 17:09:21 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-28 16:31:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:33:17 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-02-26 16:23:47 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 20:28:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-20 17:09:37 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 15:10:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 13:26:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 10:07:01 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 18:38:01 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:08:15 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-22 00:35:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 13:20:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 21:32:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-20 21:45:32 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-21 02:58:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-03-06 18:31:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-20 20:15:35 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 21:12:05 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-21 13:37:17 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-21 15:50:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:41:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-26 15:17:48 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 22:25:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 17:36:39 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:25:35 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:42:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 22:22:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-23 00:52:37 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 13:19:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-23 14:22:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 17:30:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:43:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-25 22:54:48 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-25 22:45:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 20:53:24 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-27 20:45:40 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 20:43:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-28 20:23:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-28 04:57:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-28 20:19:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-03-01 05:21:36 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
justinf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-05 16:31:35 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-01 03:29:36 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 14:51:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-23 22:56:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 15:00:44 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-23 23:23:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 15:45:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-23 23:52:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 17:01:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-24 09:47:24 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-24 02:22:03 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 03:42:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-25 22:51:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 21:11:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 22:40:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 00:41:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 22:57:12 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-21 20:50:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 22:21:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-21 01:57:07 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"pullo" <pul  2008-02-19 21:56:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-19 19:12:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-20 18:33:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 06:01:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"pullo" <pul  2008-02-21 21:22:45 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 21:20:28 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"pullo" <pul  2008-02-24 04:17:48 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 21:42:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 22:48:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Tim Merrigan <tppm@[EM  2008-02-20 10:08:30 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 17:39:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 10:01:56 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-21 23:19:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 01:06:40 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
winston@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-22 10:01:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-22 16:16:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 13:53:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-22 13:46:45 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 15:51:21 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 10:20:12 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-06 03:15:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-26 21:48:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-01 03:31:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-03-03 21:36:14 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-03-04 03:29:30 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-03-03 21:36:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-03-04 11:48:37 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-03-04 21:30:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-03-05 03:40:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-03-04 08:04:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-03-04 10:55:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-06 08:05:28 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 14:06:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-23 14:55:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-23 18:50:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <pbrazee  2008-02-19 18:27:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 22:41:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-19 18:25:03 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 22:28:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-02-20 18:45:24 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-20 10:24:41 

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