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Re: Not always joking, it seems

by rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Feb 21, 2008 at 09:02 PM

In rec.arts.sf.fandom Seth <sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> In article <klcpr3lkgg1rsmepq7gequ58n31pjr8vn3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> John Schilling  <schillin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
>>So if it's Not Shooting The Good Guys you're after, the problem is
already
>>mostly solved.  If you want to do still better, you should be in favor
of
>>ordinary private citizens being the ones with the guns whenever
possible,
>>on account of they get that sort of thing right more often than anyone
>>else[2].
> 
>>[2] Mostly on account of, "I'm not sure what's going on here, so maybe
I'd
>>best run and hide" is a legitimate option for them.
> 
> And the rest on account of civilians who shoot tend to do better than
> police (measured by target hit rate).
> 
> Of course, that could also be due in part to [2].

Even discounting "run and hide" as an option, police tend to face
situations that are much more ambiguous. Legitimate use of force by a
civilian pretty much requires that the situation be forced on them by
someone else. When one is in the process of being attacked it's much
easier to pick out the attacker. Police don't even have that advantage.

	Robert
-- 
Robert K. Shull                           Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot
com
 




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Re: Not always joking, it seems
Willie.Mookie@[EMAIL PROT  2008-02-16 03:38:49 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-16 10:21:40 
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"Dimensional Travele  2008-02-16 11:20:10 
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Kat R <null.space@[EMA  2008-02-16 14:32:59 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-16 19:39:36 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-16 12:45:42 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-17 00:50:47 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-16 16:55:45 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-16 17:30:34 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-17 02:20:08 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-17 08:47:07 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-17 16:57:10 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-17 10:50:44 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-17 11:34:27 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-17 19:39:27 
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Tim Merrigan <tppm@[EM  2008-02-18 06:07:00 
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jgd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (J  2008-02-17 19:44:00 
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"Jay E. Morris"  2008-02-18 03:53:15 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-03-06 18:23:05 
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David Johnston <david@  2008-02-17 19:48:27 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-17 12:08:12 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-17 12:25:52 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 19:21:54 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 19:48:40 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-21 18:42:25 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-22 16:11:20 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-17 21:54:26 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 19:24:58 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-19 01:00:10 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 03:16:58 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-19 04:03:47 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 05:28:06 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-20 01:39:28 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-20 02:49:20 
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Tim Merrigan <tppm@[EM  2008-02-19 13:18:57 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-02-19 21:46:43 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-19 18:25:03 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-20 02:49:28 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 19:25:49 
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rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-21 21:02:36 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-23 00:55:49 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 13:17:38 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-23 18:42:47 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-24 18:28:14 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-24 13:51:36 
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Daniel R. Reitman <dre  2008-02-24 17:36:56 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-24 16:20:35 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-01 04:04:39 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-03-03 21:33:13 
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David T. Bilek <davidb  2008-02-23 19:49:45 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 01:20:27 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 19:23:17 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 17:52:25 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 23:00:50 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 22:12:37 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 03:26:41 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 00:11:46 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 05:31:03 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 03:06:40 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 17:21:33 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 19:27:14 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 19:31:55 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-21 18:43:42 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2008-03-11 21:01:39 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 19:22:47 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 17:54:24 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 23:03:21 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 22:14:27 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 17:22:27 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-19 15:50:22 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 17:30:22 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-20 02:18:37 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-20 02:49:56 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-19 12:00:52 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 21:29:15 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2008-03-11 21:07:50 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-03-11 23:03:48 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 15:51:05 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-23 18:44:02 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 01:19:00 
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Tim Merrigan <tppm@[EM  2008-02-18 12:25:26 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 17:55:06 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-17 15:09:38 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 19:21:58 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-18 19:56:25 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 21:40:05 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-18 21:51:48 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 22:19:17 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-18 22:43:37 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 22:48:25 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-18 22:56:09 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 23:05:10 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-18 23:12:09 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 23:24:23 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-18 23:50:58 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 00:00:58 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-18 16:43:28 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 03:14:41 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-19 03:53:39 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-18 23:18:57 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-18 21:20:34 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 00:12:36 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-18 21:21:18 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 05:26:30 
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Howard Brazee <pbrazee  2008-02-19 05:55:09 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2008-03-11 21:11:05 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-03-11 23:04:32 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2008-03-28 00:14:06 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-03-27 23:26:54 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-18 16:42:47 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 00:48:13 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-18 22:16:42 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 03:29:01 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 03:41:20 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 05:21:25 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 03:38:07 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 00:13:14 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 05:21:01 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 05:32:17 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 05:43:25 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-19 17:25:14 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 03:25:48 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 09:21:40 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 12:13:17 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-19 12:33:15 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-02-19 12:35:25 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-19 15:24:53 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 14:26:02 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 20:26:30 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2008-02-19 11:50:28 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-19 15:25:48 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-19 20:23:13 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-19 22:01:30 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 22:21:56 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-19 22:41:10 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-19 23:42:12 
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Tim Merrigan <tppm@[EM  2008-02-20 10:34:19 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-20 21:21:51 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-20 16:35:27 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-19 05:26:07 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-21 19:31:08 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 19:56:39 
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Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-02-21 19:59:01 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 20:04:56 
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Daniel R. Reitman <dre  2008-02-21 14:15:09 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-21 21:15:10 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-21 21:29:42 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 21:24:39 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 21:35:44 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 16:09:19 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 16:08:56 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-26 21:26:28 
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David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-26 23:34:15 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-27 14:35:08 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-27 11:56:47 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 10:36:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-27 18:58:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-27 15:32:57 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 21:15:27 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-27 20:43:26 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 15:08:39 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-02-28 11:40:00 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-29 11:11:06 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 10:36:31 
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David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-27 21:19:26 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-28 16:35:55 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 20:07:13 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 20:11:13 
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David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-21 12:44:35 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 21:46:36 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 23:18:35 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 23:23:56 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 23:34:07 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 23:38:12 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 23:51:58 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 23:59:15 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 00:26:37 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-22 09:43:13 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-22 10:32:37 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 17:46:49 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-22 13:29:55 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 18:08:36 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-23 10:43:46 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-23 09:01:53 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 12:51:40 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-23 16:23:39 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-23 16:58:04 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-24 06:22:23 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-24 14:52:42 
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Edward McArdle <mcardl  2008-02-26 21:03:07 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-26 22:05:04 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-23 18:47:12 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-02-23 12:37:23 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-23 17:55:06 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2008-03-11 21:16:36 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-03-11 23:05:14 
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David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-22 08:48:34 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-22 17:47:28 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 21:01:18 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 21:17:32 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 21:48:10 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 23:19:19 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 23:24:15 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 23:34:34 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-21 20:18:38 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 21:21:14 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-21 18:46:44 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 12:39:06 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-21 21:22:48 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 21:44:07 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-21 21:54:38 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-22 07:36:28 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-22 08:15:52 
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Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-22 08:19:21 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-23 04:21:47 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 21:54:14 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-23 04:20:18 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-22 21:05:39 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-23 05:16:17 
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rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-22 00:18:32 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-21 19:26:02 
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"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-21 16:50:38 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 16:20:23 
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"AJ" <tortur  2008-02-26 12:38:43 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-26 16:40:07 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-26 21:21:46 
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David Harmon <source@[  2008-02-26 09:50:23 
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"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-26 09:16:29 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-02-26 17:17:25 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:51:11 
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"pullo" <pul  2008-02-21 21:02:13 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:45:31 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 16:16:27 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-21 18:50:04 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-22 08:09:32 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-22 21:51:29 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-22 22:53:55 
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sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 19:33:00 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-26 17:09:01 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-27 02:58:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-27 01:09:20 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-27 06:17:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David T. Bilek <davidb  2008-02-26 22:39:01 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-27 07:06:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 21:20:47 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-27 17:09:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-27 18:12:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-28 21:51:40 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-28 03:43:28 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-28 21:52:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-29 06:12:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-29 00:02:59 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-28 21:54:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-01 04:08:21 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-03-01 20:43:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David T. Bilek <davidb  2008-03-01 22:47:49 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Harmon <source@[  2008-03-03 01:46:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-03-06 19:52:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-03-25 23:05:15 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-03-26 08:23:46 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-03-26 22:33:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-03-27 06:52:40 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-03-27 06:51:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-27 14:57:32 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 21:19:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-27 17:11:41 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-21 21:21:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 16:38:25 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-22 04:40:49 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-21 21:40:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-23 01:37:58 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-23 02:53:17 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-23 03:49:44 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-23 03:59:45 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-23 03:45:02 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-23 06:07:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 19:40:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-26 12:21:14 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-26 17:11:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-26 20:40:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-26 21:18:23 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-27 01:10:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-27 07:59:26 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-27 17:12:24 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-27 15:09:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-27 17:13:10 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-28 03:50:24 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-28 14:56:05 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-29 06:13:58 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-28 22:06:41 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-26 16:06:35 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-26 09:15:40 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 10:18:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-26 10:32:03 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 11:06:02 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-26 12:18:47 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 22:22:19 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 21:34:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-28 01:09:20 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-26 21:14:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-02-26 17:12:35 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-26 20:45:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-27 08:09:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 19:35:32 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 12:10:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 20:14:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 12:20:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 20:39:21 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 22:19:41 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-27 07:05:58 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 03:01:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
rkshullat@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-27 15:01:39 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-27 20:48:55 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-27 22:12:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-02 11:40:39 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-03-02 16:39:45 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-03-02 22:02:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-03-02 15:07:37 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-03-02 19:05:37 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-02 17:45:08 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-03-02 15:00:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-02-27 09:30:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 10:34:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Daniel R. Reitman <dre  2008-02-27 17:01:18 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-27 12:09:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-27 22:32:16 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-26 21:05:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 22:16:39 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-27 22:13:21 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-27 22:34:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 20:16:51 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 22:24:09 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-27 07:08:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 03:00:28 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-27 19:04:22 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-02-27 18:11:14 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-28 11:32:43 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
lathamr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-27 22:24:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-28 03:47:34 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-27 20:41:20 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-28 05:04:00 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-28 07:10:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 05:55:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-28 09:21:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling&quo  2008-02-28 19:18:52 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Robert A. Woodward&  2008-02-28 23:27:06 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-28 21:06:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-28 18:03:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-28 21:17:39 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 19:57:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-29 18:53:32 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-02-29 21:14:49 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-04 18:04:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Peter Bruells <usernet  2008-03-05 08:58:54 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-05 08:10:53 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Peter Bruells <usernet  2008-03-05 15:20:13 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-05 07:20:49 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Peter Bruells <usernet  2008-03-05 16:32:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Mike Schilling"  2008-03-05 08:36:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-05 20:37:39 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-03-05 20:49:59 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Joe Ellis <synthfilker  2008-03-06 11:39:12 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
sethb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-03-06 23:28:02 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-06 18:31:33 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2008-03-06 19:13:31 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Patrick Baldwin <pax@[  2008-03-07 17:38:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-05 19:49:50 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-02-28 13:28:11 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-29 21:59:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 05:52:04 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-28 09:18:24 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-28 16:29:29 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-28 17:34:47 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-02-28 19:53:57 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 19:33:18 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-02-26 12:11:38 
Re: Not always joking, it seems
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-26 20:18:16