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Re: Food Checkout Week

by dbell@[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("David G. Bell") Mar 6, 2008 at 12:43 PM

On Thursday, in article
     <memo.20080306104707.3392A@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
     prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 "Paul Dormer" wrote:

> In article <fqnhb2$7n0$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, kfl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Keith F.
> Lynch) wrote:
> 
> > Okay, I guess I should have said allied lives.  Americans tend to
> > think of the European Theater as an allied effort, but the Pacific
> > Theater as just US vs. Japan.
> 
> The Duke of Edinburgh (husband to the Queen) served in the Pacific War.
> I saw him being interviewed on TV about his experiences many years ago.
> 
> He mentioned that he was on the bridge of his ****p with an American
> officer standing next to him.  There was a British aircraft carrier
> alongside his ****p.  Suddenly, a kamikaze plane crashed into the deck
> of the aircraft carrier.  The American officer started to panic,
> expecting a big explosion.
> 
> Turned out that US aircraft carriers had wooden flight decks.  He was
> expecting the plane to go right through and blow up the magazine.
> 
> British aircraft carriers had armoured flight decks.  The duke said
> that what happened next was, after the smoke had cleared, a number of
> ratings appeared with brooms and swept the wreckage over the side.

There's an interesting bit of naval architecture in all this, which 
apparently explains some of the secrecy still surrounding the 
construction of modern US carriers. The British designs had the armoured 
flightdeck as part of the hull structure--the "hull box"--and by the end 
of the war several carriers, which had taken battle damage, were having 
problems with things such as shaft alignment. It's like bending the 
chassis of a vehicle.

The US carriers, with the wooden flightdeck, had the hangar space 
outside the hull box, and this also avoided problems with aircraft 
lifts. The big hole in the flightdeck didn't affect the hull structural 
strength.

When the US Navy introduced armoured flight decks, which means protected 
hangar space, they seem to have done something clever to minimise 
effects on the key structure of the hull box. And deck-edge lifts, while 
they have implications on the structural strength, seem to include 
similar clevernesses.

Whether it works in combat, I doubt anyone can be sure, unless we're 
doing serious computer simulations.

And, paradoxically, the wooden flight deck was reparable. Yes, you had 
the ****p out of action, and you had a hangar fire, but the USN did have 
very good firefighting. Repairing that damage might not need the same 
major ****pyard resources that an armoured flightdeck, holed or just 
buckled, would need.



-- 
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

On the horizon, a carrier task force of the Salvation Navy was 
turning into the wind, preparing to launch Zeppelins.
 




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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-02-18 11:36:00 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-18 16:25:47 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-02-19 11:00:00 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-25 20:42:10 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-02-28 07:41:08 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-02-28 10:49:00 
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dbell@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-28 11:55:38 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-02-28 14:43:00 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-28 19:51:43 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-02-29 23:28:07 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-03-01 00:28:00 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-03-03 21:45:12 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-02-28 16:51:08 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-02-28 19:49:43 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-02-29 12:41:00 
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