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Andre Lieven <andrelieven@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 9:52 pm, "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > Douglas Berry <penguin_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > >> (Evelyn, Douglas, this is your cue to start flaming Alan for daring
> > >> to ask a question rather than doing his own research.)
> > > Nah, I'd rather flame you. See, if you had asked the question it
> > > would have come out like this:
> > > "That's not possible, and I suspect that you are lying for your own
> > > purposes! I demand that you back up these claims!"
> >
> > Please show me where I called anyone a liar, or demanded anything
> > of anyone.
>
> The latter has already been shown to you.
>
> You started your side of the Philcon Moves thread fairly reasonably:
>
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
> From: "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Date: 23 Feb 2008 15:16:13 -0500
> Local: Sat, Feb 23 2008 4:16 pm
> Subject: Philcon is in New Jersey (!) this year
>
> Philcon will be in Cherry Hill, New Jersey, November 21-23, the
> weekend before Thanksgiving.
> I'm not sure if I can get there. I have updated
> http://KeithLynch.net/cons.html
to reflect my possible absence.
>
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> Your last two sentences suggest that, whether or not you had explored
> any alternative ( to you ) means of transport to the con, that you
> had
> arrived at a decision, and that is completely your right to do for
> yourself.
How do you get that from "I'm not sure if I can get there?" That makes
it pretty clear that he hasn't arrived at a decision, presumably due to
insufficient information.
> But, you then outliered your way into a hissy fit aimed at people who
> dare to live differently from you:
>
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
> From: "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Date: 10 Mar 2008 21:24:02 -0400
> Local: Mon, Mar 10 2008 9:24 pm
> Subject: Re: Philcon is in New Jersey (!) this year
>
> Evelyn C. Leeper <elee...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > In other words, walking to meals is a definite problem.
>
> What about walking to the *hotel*? I go to Philcon on the Chinatown
> bus from DC. How far is this year's hotel from Philadelphia's
> Chinatown? Is there a city bus that goes that way? Philcon's
> website doesn't say.
>
> > In a suburban hotel, you can easily drive to a variety of
> > restaurants.
>
> Is Philcon intended for all fans, or only for motorists?
>
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> Now, while its true that your last line right above is neither a lie
> not an *overt* demand, it does show that in your view, catering
> in any way to fans who dare drive to cons is, in your view, a Bad
> Idea.
No. It implies that, in his view, catering only for fans who drive is a
bad idea.
> It further suggests that, if a concom dares to use a facility that
> is neither on an urban rapid transit line or a Chinatown bus stop,
> that that is some form of " discrimination " against the difference
> between the set of " all fans " and the set of " only ( for )
> motorists. "
>
> In *your* words. Which set up an untrue claim.
He doesn't use the word "discrimination" at all. He is responding to
someone whose solution to the problem of finding restaurants depends on
having a car, by pointing out that that not all fans will have cars.
> In that stated view of yours, you are spectacularly wrong and
> narcissistic, in your position, for it is 1) Not the concom's job
> to arrange the con just to suit your demands, and 2) It IS your
> responsibility to arrange your travel needs to any con, or to any
> destination that you want/need to get to.
He started out by saying he might not be getting to it.
> Many people showed that you *have* alternatives in getting to
> Philcon, should you choose to, but you swept that all aside due to
> your annoyance at feeling picked on ( Which really was discussion
> where your view is NOT taken as The One True Way ).
Keith asked for examples of his behaving in the way Douglas implied he
behaved. You are instead offering your conclusions. It's clear that you
don't much like Keith--a fate he seems to share with quite a lot of the
human race, judging by your past posts. But you have offered no support
for half of what Douglas implied and little for the other half.
>
> And, its perfectly fine to " ask questions ", where such questions
> are really actual questions, and not statements in fig leaf disguise,
> which your " only for motorists " whine was. You earned the
> criticism that came your way for 1) being dishonest in that way,
> and for 2) inventing a false antagonism between " all fans " and
> " only for motorists ".
All fans are motorists? There are no conflicts of interest wrt con
location between those who are and those who are not?
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