Andre Lieven <andrelieven@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> I don't go to cons to eat or sleep; I go to cons to have
>> interesting conversations.
> And, those with sleep deprived starvation cases are always so...
> fulfilling. <sarcasm mode off>
I'm in little danger of starvation.
At Philcon a year and a half ago, at sunrise the principal speaker,
Charlie Stross, and I were the only ones still up. We both greatly
enjoyed our conversation, which lasted for several hours.
>> Even assuming (correctly) that I never buy anything in the art show
>> and (incorrectly) that I never buy anything in the dealer room,
>> never pay for part of a sleeping room, and never volunteer, how
>> would it benefit a con if I stayed home instead of going?
> These days, just about the last thing any con needs is to be
> accurately perceived as being a nest of cheapskates, who can't/won't
> dip into their mac & cheese funds to spend anything at the con,
> including on a room ( Or, shared ****tion therof. ) and food. Hotels,
> which cons *need*, in order to be held, are in the business of
> selling rooms and food, and there are quite a few other clients
> coming to them whose demographics do spend on those things at their
> hotel based events.
You evaded my question. If I don't go to the con at all, I obviously
won't be buying anything in the art show, buying anything in the
dealer room, paying for part of a sleeping room at the con hotel,
eating in the hotel restaurant, or volunteering at the con. So how is
the con or the hotel better off if I stay home than if I attend but do
none of those things?
Anyhow, please note that I almost always volunteer, often pay for part
of a sleeping room for at least one night, and often buy something in
the dealer room.
> Thats a major reason why Worldcon bidding is back to a 2 year
> forward timeline.
No, it's because other events were on a 5 to 10 year forward timeline,
so Worldcons gained nothing from the switch from 2 year to a 3 year
forward timeline. I know because I was at the Worldcon business
meeting where this was discussed, and I'm one of those who voted to
change it back to 2 years.
> I rarely choose to do such, for I have a responsibility, both to
> myself, and to my wife, who doesn't drive well at night, and who
> doesn't navigate well, at any time, to be fit enough to drive
> *safely* when it is needed.
Having to never be the least bit sleep deprived while traveling is one
of many disadvantages of being a motorist. If I were to fall asleep
while traveling home, the worst I risk is missing my stop and having
to double back. (And for what it's worth, that has never happened).
> If I go through a con getting little to no sleep, then I both will
> not enjoy the con, being too fatigued and starved to do so, and I
> will not be an asset for us in the areas that I have mentioned.
I never said how you should go through a con. Please don't tell me
how I should go through a con.
> Keith, you are a willfully poor person; ...
I'm neither poor nor wealthy. I live prudently so
that I won't end up like the woman described in
http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/03/27/foodbank.family/
who was earning $70k until last month and now has to resort
to a food bank to keep from starving.
I've never been wealthy, but I've never used a food bank, and have
never been on welfare, food stamps, unemployment, or disability.
Nor have I ever failed to pay my bills in full and on time.
> Thats OK, thats your right to be as you choose to be. But, and this
> is a major point, *once you have made your own choice for yourself,
> whining about the consequences of your choice is, well, nuts*.
I do not whine at all, especially not about the consequences of
my choices.
>> I found it easier to sleep at Gitmo than in most Marriotts, as
>> Gitmo is warmer.
> As has been well shown here, you are an major outlier. To ASSume
> that your choices and experiences are at all meaningful for the
> vast majority of the rest of humanity is narcissistic and willfully
> thicky of you.
I'm not the only person who prefers warmth to cold. Note that I
wasn't the one who was complaining about how cold the Eastercon
hotel was.
> So, when do your waterboarding sessions resume ?
The week I worked at Gitmo (putting it on the Internet) was long
before there was a prison camp there.
>> Are you unable to express yourself without profanity?
> <Laughs> " In our century, we've learned not to fear words. "
> Lt. Uhura, Star Trek, The Savage Curtain.
The heavy use of profanity tends to be a sign that a person isn't very
good at expressing himself. I associate a high use of profanity, like
a high ratio of tattoos to teeth, with prisoners and slum dwellers,
not with SF fans.
> What, your self absorbed pissy whine about Philcon being " only
> for motorists " ? Its false, its stupid, its narcissistic, to a
> Oprahesque degree, and its simply DUMB. Did I mention that its
> false ?
It was a *question*, not an assertion or a whine.
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