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Re: Evil Nazis

by Joe Ellis <synthfilker@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 7, 2008 at 12:05 AM

In article <ftc2d8$90v$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Sean O'Hara <seanohara@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > Why?  Germany still prosecuted genuine crimes like rape and murder
> > under the Nazi regime, ...
> 
> Anyone convicted of those genuine crimes by the Nazi regime should
> have been given the benefit of the doubt, and freed.

Oh, come on..   Overturn a legitimate conviction at the local level 
simply because upper level government was evil? You're compounding the 
problem, not righting a wrong. 

> If a criminal gang tem****arily took over your town, should its
> decisions be honored as the acts of a legitimate government?

Show me that the Nazi regime was not a "legitimate" government. I'm not 
arguing good vs evil..   that is all too clear. Demonstrate that, in 
broad terms, they were not the "legitimate" government of Germany at 
that time. If not them, then who? Yes, they manipulated the people, and 
murdered. However, the people DID put them into power. Scoundrels at 
best, liars, cheats, and even murderers..  but the fact remains they 
WERE the "legitimate" and internationally recognized government of 
Germany. 
 
> > Simply reversing every conviction from 1933 to 1945 would set loose
> > people who belonged in jail,
> 
> Yes.  And when a hospital emergency room saves someone who had been
> shot, they may be setting loose someone who the world is better off
> without.  Just because someone was shot by a criminal gang member
> doesn't necessarily mean they're a good guy.

The hospital doesn't confine someone, therefore "setting them loose" is 
not an option. They simply treat injuries. However, they are required to 
re****t all apparent gunshot wounds to the police...  and the officers 
standing outside the patient's room ARE empowered to hold them. You're 
confusing and conflating geography with authority. 

> 
> > and given the state of Germany at the time, giving everyone a new
> > trial (which would require tracking down witnesses, many of whom
> > were dead, and evidence, much of which would've been destroyed)
> > would've been infeasible.
> 
> That's why I think they should all have simply been freed and had
> their records expunged.  Any who were genuine criminals would be back
> in jail soon enough.  If they'd victimize a few innocent people first,
> well, the damage to innocent German civilians would be far less than
> the Allies had already done.

So you think it wise and just to add to the list of victims? That's 
ridiculous. The potential harm far exceeds the perceived benefit. And 
what makes you think only _Germans_ would be harmed? 

Free Jews? Of course. Free homo***uals? Absolutely. Free rapists and 
murderers? Don't be silly..   the ONE thing we can agree with the Nazis 
on is those people were bad eggs. 

This has to be one of the most...  bizarre... ideas you've promulgated 
here... and that's saying something.

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Evil Nazis
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-06 17:23:36 
Re: Evil Nazis
mark <whitroth@[EMAIL   2008-04-06 17:39:30 
Re: Evil Nazis
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-06 18:43:15 
Re: Evil Nazis
mark <whitroth@[EMAIL   2008-04-06 19:42:41 
Re: Evil Nazis
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-07 17:37:59 
Re: Evil Nazis
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-07 17:36:59 
Re: Evil Nazis
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-07 18:12:12 
Re: Evil Nazis
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-07 19:20:21 
Re: Evil Nazis
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-07 19:43:55 
Re: Evil Nazis
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-07 22:24:35 
Re: Evil Nazis
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-06 22:59:03 
Re: Evil Nazis
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-07 17:34:07 
Re: Evil Nazis
Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-04-06 19:20:03 
Re: Evil Nazis
Douglas Berry <penguin  2008-04-06 16:43:01 
Re: Evil Nazis
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-06 22:54:32 
Re: Evil Nazis
Joe Ellis <synthfilker  2008-04-07 00:05:01 
Re: Evil Nazis
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-04-06 23:29:40 
Re: Evil Nazis
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-07 21:18:42 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-07 22:06:29 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-07 21:29:20 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-07 22:51:41 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-08 08:32:07 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-08 13:10:33 
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mstemper@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-10 12:10:35 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-07 14:16:44 
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Will in New Haven <bil  2008-04-07 08:54:22 
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Andre Lieven <andrelie  2008-04-07 09:03:49 
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cryptoguy <treifamily@  2008-04-07 09:19:48 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-04-07 17:09:09 
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Andre Lieven <andrelie  2008-04-07 21:41:49 
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Andre Lieven <andrelie  2008-04-07 21:55:59 
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cryptoguy <treifamily@  2008-04-10 11:01:25 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-10 20:27:49 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-04-10 19:50:55 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-11 00:33:39 
Re: Evil Nazis
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-10 20:49:31 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-11 01:58:00 
Re: Evil Nazis
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-04-10 19:54:32 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-20 21:25:42 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-04-20 18:39:36 
Re: Evil Nazis
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-20 22:15:52 
Re: Evil Nazis
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-04-10 19:49:06 
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Harry Mary Andruschak <  2008-04-10 11:04:45 
Re: Evil Nazis
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-10 14:41:04 
Re: Evil Nazis
archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-10 14:41:51 
Re: Evil Nazis
mark <whitroth@[EMAIL   2008-04-10 22:11:51 
Re: Evil Nazis
cryptoguy <treifamily@  2008-04-10 11:23:32 
Re: Evil Nazis
Douglas Berry <penguin  2008-04-06 16:41:03 
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Harry Mary Andruschak <  2008-04-07 00:01:56 
Re: Evil Nazis
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-07 21:16:27 
Re: Evil Nazis
jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-07 17:29:23 
Re: Evil Nazis
Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-07 14:06:37 
Re: Evil Nazis
kevrob <AnSpideog@[EMA  2008-04-07 12:17:27 

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