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Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate

by archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nate Edel) Apr 21, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Sean O'Hara <seanohara@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> In the Year of the Earth Rat, the Great and Powerful Lee Ratner 
> declared:
> > On Apr 18, 5:12 pm, archm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Nate Edel) wrote:
> > 
> >> Some of those have done the most damage have been at far ends of the
> >> "brains" scale - Bush Jr and Woodrow Wilson, for example.
> >>
> >     Care to explain how Woodrow Wilson did damage? He was not the best
> > President and he was a racist but he was much better than Bush Jr. 
>
> Compared to Wilson, Bush is a staunch civil libertarian.
<...>
> And that's not even considering the idiocy of getting the US into 
> the bloody, stupid war in the first place.

It's not just getting us into the war, although the fact that World War I
probably beats Vietnam in the deaths-to-stupidity ratio definitely counts
very heavily against him.  100k Americans dead, for absolutely nothing,
and
entirely on his watch... at least for Vietnam, you can blame it on four
presidents who each had their share in escalating it stupidly.

Instead, Wilson picked one of the worst possible approaches to World War
I:
he failed to adequately protect our neutrality before entering the war
while
at the same time letting our industry and financial sector basically
bankroll the Entente.  Little surprise that we got us sucked into the war
basically because of it... and then we failed to get anything much in the
way of concessions from our allies after the war.

At the same time, he set a lot of stupid precedents for future "wartime"
behavior by the US.

Wilson is also in part responsible for the US intervention in the Russian
civil war.

-- 
Nate Edel                               http://www.cubiclehermit.com/
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 is "nate" at the | "I do have a cause, though. It is obscenity.
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Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-16 21:18:18 
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"Martha Adams"   2008-04-17 09:51:02 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-17 20:46:50 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-18 14:12:01 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-04-18 23:16:29 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-18 19:50:41 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-25 18:26:26 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-04-25 23:50:04 
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Daniel R. Reitman <dre  2008-04-26 00:54:05 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-26 13:13:04 
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Daniel R. Reitman <dre  2008-04-26 20:44:58 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-04-26 18:05:25 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-05 22:23:28 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-14 22:10:44 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-08 19:54:39 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-06 20:06:28 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-07 14:10:15 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-05-07 23:18:46 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-05-08 16:35:35 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-08 13:51:10 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-05-08 17:06:34 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-07 18:33:16 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-15 21:50:06 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-05-15 21:55:52 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-08 19:51:40 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-12 12:55:31 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-05-12 16:45:40 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-05-13 00:28:02 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-12 21:47:07 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-05-13 15:50:04 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-05-15 20:38:50 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-08 20:03:06 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-09 22:49:26 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-05-11 18:29:28 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-13 23:27:50 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-14 13:33:04 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-14 17:37:25 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-15 14:16:35 
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Lee Ratner <LBRatner@[  2008-04-19 02:51:42 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-19 11:18:14 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-04-19 09:20:00 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-19 16:37:38 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-19 13:06:49 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-04-19 19:57:39 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-21 12:01:48 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-21 16:03:32 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-21 18:21:09 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-04-21 22:36:11 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-21 21:10:26 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-04-22 22:49:38 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-21 21:14:46 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-25 18:33:11 
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kevrob <AnSpideog@[EMA  2008-04-22 09:04:35 
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jamesd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-19 16:22:36 
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Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-05-07 06:25:44 
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Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-05-09 10:22:21 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-05-09 10:43:01 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-05-09 18:29:28 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-10 01:19:30 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-11 21:23:06 
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Brett Paul Dunbar <bre  2008-05-09 19:55:38 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-05-09 19:33:23 
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Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-05-10 07:46:03 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-12 12:29:53 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-05-12 21:15:29 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 03:49:37 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-05-13 06:52:44 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-05-13 08:25:53 

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