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Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...

by Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 22, 2008 at 03:50 PM

trinlay wrote:
> On Apr 21, 9:35 pm, "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> David V. Loewe, Jr <davelo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
> 
>> Either way, it will either bankrupt the country or result in people
>> with whatever condition you've got being falsely told that there's
>> nothing doctors can do for them and that they should go home and
>> die with dignity.  Or both.
> 
> I was working for years, paying in a huge chunk out of my paycheck for
> Insurance.
> I kept being told, "you are a single mother with a small child, OF
> course you feel run down" (never mind that my family was also involved
> with raising my child, I had more support from them than I had from my
> husband when I was still married to him! ) , Or "We can't find
> anything wrong with you, you should just quick slacking and stop
> looking for reasons to get off of work...."
> 
> Later my abcessed appendix went off.  No one had, in the whole time
> I'd been complaining of fatigue and gut pain, ran a white count.  My
> body had built a wall around the appendix, and I'd been walking around
> with the infection for YEARS before I ended up in emergency surgery.
> No one had run a thyroid test, or a white count.... no one checked for
> lyme, or arthritis...
> 
> Even after I recovered from the appendix I never really got better, I
> would have episodes (often for months at a time) of severe fatigue,
> muscle stiffness & chronic pain.  I kept working paying a WAD for
> Health Insurance.  At one point my flare up was so bad I lost my
> job. ... I was too sick to drive myself to work, I couldn't turn my
> head or raise my arms from the pain, i was CONFUSED all the time.  I
> ended up on Medical Assistance... they sent me to one of their
> doctors.
> In a few weeks she ran a LOT of tests, ruled out some things, but
> finally got me a diagnosis.  Even though the Dx is Fibromyalgia and
> Chronic fatigue, (and depression caused by the other two), at least
> it's NOT MS.... it's NOT cancer...
> 
> The Medical Assistance doc sent me to a PAIN MANAGEMENT clinic, she
> got me into physical therapy, her pain specialist cousin got me into a
> "fibromyalgia lifestyle improvement program" which taught me a lot of
> ways to cope with this illness.  She tested and found my iron and vit
> D levels were scarily low.... (despite eating healthy and getting out
> in the sun when I could.)  and put me on supplements.
> 
> If the doctor I'd gone to 15 years before hadn't blown me off, he
> might not have had access to the same information the Medical
> Assistance Doctor had 15 years later...  but maybe I could have
> avoided becoming SOoooo sick if they'd caught my appendix at that
> point, and not 10 years later... maybe I could have avoided becoming
> Sooooo sick, if they'd said "You know, right now we can't find
> anything wrong, but lets stay on top of this until we can pin down the
> problem." ...
> 
> I shouldn't have been paying $200/month for insurance, and have to
> wait 15 years and untill I couldn't keep my job to get someone to say
> "Let's take the trouble to find out what this is."
> 
> 


My husband even hints at sneezing and his GP has him off for test 
after test after test.  Lady alone knows how much that's been costing 
the NHS!  (but they did catch his T2 diabetes and his H.Pylori)

-- 
Jette Goldie
jette@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)




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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-16 21:19:37 
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cryptoguy <treifamily@  2008-04-09 09:16:00 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-08 03:29:19 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-07 23:40:34 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-08 04:05:32 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-08 20:55:17 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-09 04:45:05 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-09 22:21:02 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-09 23:13:42 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-10 04:39:57 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-10 08:12:21 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-10 20:57:51 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-10 21:18:37 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-11 02:00:56 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-11 06:51:09 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-10 21:55:27 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-11 02:14:37 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-11 13:22:59 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-11 09:31:04 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-14 21:25:10 
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cryptoguy <treifamily@  2008-04-10 07:26:55 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-10 20:44:30 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-08 08:23:05 
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Lowell Gilbert <lgusen  2008-04-08 14:26:54 
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cryptoguy <treifamily@  2008-04-09 09:05:49 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-09 21:45:40 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-10 11:58:00 
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cryptoguy <treifamily@  2008-04-10 07:49:47 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-10 17:13:00 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-10 18:19:36 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-10 21:06:06 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-11 06:54:06 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-12 13:28:38 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-04-11 18:32:29 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-12 12:45:13 
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dbell@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-11 11:41:02 
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Robert Sneddon <fred@[  2008-04-11 19:50:31 
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Daniel R. Reitman <dre  2008-04-11 17:54:43 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-16 20:21:12 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-16 21:56:03 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-16 21:15:39 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-16 21:17:52 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-17 19:48:14 
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Andre Lieven <andrelie  2008-04-02 14:57:31 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-02 23:36:36 
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Alan Woodford <alanw@[  2008-04-03 05:46:32 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-03 11:41:11 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-02 23:33:39 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-03 11:53:05 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-03 15:41:00 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-03 19:49:38 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-04 11:24:00 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-04 11:40:12 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-04 13:16:00 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-04 20:43:15 
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djheydt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-05 04:54:17 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-05 08:29:56 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-04 17:06:56 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-04 20:08:00 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-05 08:27:06 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-05 12:23:14 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-05 16:57:20 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-05 13:08:17 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-05 17:20:34 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-05 18:12:07 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-03 10:44:06 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-03 19:56:44 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-04 08:43:05 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-04 11:24:00 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-04 06:40:35 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-04 11:48:00 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-04 13:53:58 
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Douglas Berry <penguin  2008-04-04 07:58:22 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-05 14:26:00 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-05 01:48:16 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-20 19:04:20 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-04 06:49:58 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-04 12:01:00 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-04 11:43:31 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-04 13:16:00 
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"Dan Goodman" &  2008-04-04 22:45:27 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-04 19:23:10 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-04 20:33:38 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-04 21:47:42 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-04-04 19:47:54 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-05 02:04:39 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-04-05 01:15:23 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-05 04:52:06 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-05 09:05:01 
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djheydt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-04 23:16:07 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-04 19:28:12 
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djheydt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-04 14:12:02 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-04 14:08:30 
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David Harmon <source@[  2008-04-04 22:15:56 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-05 02:00:12 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-04-05 11:20:41 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-05 12:14:17 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-05 19:54:06 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-04 00:02:58 
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Andre Lieven <andrelie  2008-04-02 22:29:37 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-03 15:41:00 
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Andre Lieven <andrelie  2008-04-03 11:37:35 
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Andre Lieven <andrelie  2008-04-03 11:35:56 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-03 18:38:11 
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Andre Lieven <andrelie  2008-04-03 14:03:20 
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Lee Ratner <LBRatner@[  2008-04-04 05:58:46 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-04 15:05:00 
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djheydt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-04 14:07:21 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-20 18:00:55 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-04 13:51:17 
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Lee Ratner <LBRatner@[  2008-04-04 06:04:17 
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smg231@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-05 18:17:54 
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Daniel R. Reitman <dre  2008-04-05 23:18:04 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-17 20:16:21 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-17 21:41:50 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-18 02:49:58 
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Arthur T. <arthur@[EMA  2008-04-18 01:09:28 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-18 10:50:00 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-18 10:39:48 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-18 15:41:13 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-18 13:36:42 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-18 18:40:32 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-19 14:41:00 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-19 10:15:07 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-19 16:33:17 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-20 02:01:41 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-19 23:21:50 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-20 03:37:19 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-20 10:24:45 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-21 18:36:00 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-21 18:16:52 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-21 23:38:46 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-21 23:42:48 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-22 10:38:38 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-22 11:58:38 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-22 13:39:15 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-22 23:03:15 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-22 23:38:39 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-22 16:52:09 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-23 04:30:47 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-23 17:55:28 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-23 19:28:03 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-23 20:06:43 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-23 20:30:46 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-23 21:56:46 
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Daniel R. Reitman <dre  2008-04-22 18:59:13 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-22 22:40:54 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-21 18:45:23 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-21 23:38:13 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-21 22:58:23 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-22 10:32:32 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-20 16:22:29 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-20 12:03:58 
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Nels Satterlund <NelsS  2008-04-20 20:36:26 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-21 18:14:12 
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