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Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate

by tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim McDaniel) Apr 22, 2008 at 10:49 PM

In article <fujdu2$jhb$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
Keith F. Lynch <kfl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>Tim McDaniel <tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Nate Edel <archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> It's not just getting us into the war, although the fact that
>>> World War I probably beats Vietnam in the deaths-to-stupidity
>>> ratio definitely counts very heavily against him.  100k Americans
>>> dead, for absolutely nothing, ...
>>
>> ...  Had Germany cracked France in the spring, I think they might
>> have been able to enforce a peace on the Entente.  Knowing Imperial
>> Germany, it would have been vindictive and greedy: farewell Belgium
>> and large chunks of northern France, and central and Eastern Europe
>> out into the Ukraine.
>
>I'm not convinced that would have been any worse than what did
>happen.

Europe as a whole was a lot freer immediately after World War I than
it would have been with Germany triumphant, though the gains were
largely lost by 1939.  But World War I managed to deal the fatal blow
to royalism (though it lingered in the south) and boosted democracy
(even if nominally).

>Belgium and France weren't innocent victims.  The Belgian Congo, for
>instance, was one of the worst regimes in the world.

- Victims none the less: Belgium had no part in it until invaded.
- No, the Belgian Congo was one of the better colonial regimes in the
  world.  The previous government, the Congo Free State, run by
  Leopold II as a private preserve without any input from the
  government of Belgium, was a horror.
- Who shall 'scape whipping?  For example, you were not completely
  innocent of sin at the time, I suspect, but that didn't make you
  deserve going to prison.
- Or, on the other hand, who deserves whipping?  Did the women and
  children of Tamines deserve being massacred in 1914, or the women
  and children of the Central Powers deserve starving to death in the
  blockade?

-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]





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Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-16 21:18:18 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
"Martha Adams"   2008-04-17 09:51:02 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-17 20:46:50 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-18 14:12:01 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-04-18 23:16:29 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-18 19:50:41 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-25 18:26:26 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-04-25 23:50:04 
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Daniel R. Reitman <dre  2008-04-26 00:54:05 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-26 13:13:04 
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Daniel R. Reitman <dre  2008-04-26 20:44:58 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-04-26 18:05:25 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-05 22:23:28 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-14 22:10:44 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-08 19:54:39 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-06 20:06:28 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-07 14:10:15 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-05-07 23:18:46 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-05-08 16:35:35 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-08 13:51:10 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-05-08 17:06:34 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-07 18:33:16 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-15 21:50:06 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-05-15 21:55:52 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-08 19:51:40 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-12 12:55:31 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-05-12 16:45:40 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-05-13 00:28:02 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-12 21:47:07 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-05-13 15:50:04 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-05-15 20:38:50 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-08 20:03:06 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-09 22:49:26 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-05-11 18:29:28 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-13 23:27:50 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-14 13:33:04 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-14 17:37:25 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-15 14:16:35 
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Lee Ratner <LBRatner@[  2008-04-19 02:51:42 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-19 11:18:14 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-04-19 09:20:00 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-19 16:37:38 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-19 13:06:49 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-04-19 19:57:39 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-21 12:01:48 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-21 16:03:32 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-21 18:21:09 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-04-21 22:36:11 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-21 21:10:26 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-04-22 22:49:38 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-21 21:14:46 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-25 18:33:11 
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kevrob <AnSpideog@[EMA  2008-04-22 09:04:35 
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jamesd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-19 16:22:36 
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Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-05-07 06:25:44 
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Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-05-09 10:22:21 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-05-09 10:43:01 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-05-09 18:29:28 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-10 01:19:30 
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Alfred Montestruc <mon  2008-05-11 21:23:06 
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Brett Paul Dunbar <bre  2008-05-09 19:55:38 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-05-09 19:33:23 
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Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-05-10 07:46:03 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-12 12:29:53 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-05-12 21:15:29 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 03:49:37 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-05-13 06:52:44 
Re: Help design the ideal Presidential candidate
Aaron Denney <wnoise@[  2008-05-13 08:25:53 

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