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Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...

by "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 22, 2008 at 10:57 PM

trinlay <trin1066@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> I was working for years, paying in a huge chunk out of my paycheck
> for Insurance.  I kept being told, "you are a single mother with a
> small child, OF course you feel run down" (never mind that my family
> was also involved with raising my child, I had more support from
> them than I had from my husband when I was still married to him! ) ,
> Or "We can't find anything wrong with you, you should just quick
> slacking and stop looking for reasons to get off of work...."

> Later my abcessed appendix went off.  No one had, in the whole time
> I'd been complaining of fatigue and gut pain, ran a white count.
> My body had built a wall around the appendix, and I'd been walking
> around with the infection for YEARS before I ended up in emergency
> surgery.  No one had run a thyroid test, or a white count.... no one
> checked for lyme, or arthritis...

Thanks.  Each time I read a story like yours, I feel better about not
having insurance, as it appears I'm not missing much.

> Even after I recovered from the appendix I never really got better, I
> would have episodes (often for months at a time) of severe fatigue,
> muscle stiffness & chronic pain.  I kept working paying a WAD for
> Health Insurance.  At one point my flare up was so bad I lost my
> job. ... I was too sick to drive myself to work, I couldn't turn my
> head or raise my arms from the pain, i was CONFUSED all the time.  I
> ended up on Medical Assistance... they sent me to one of their doctors.

> In a few weeks she ran a LOT of tests, ruled out some things, but
> finally got me a diagnosis.  Even though the Dx is Fibromyalgia and
> Chronic fatigue, (and depression caused by the other two), at least
> it's NOT MS.... it's NOT cancer...

Unfortunately, Fibromyalgia and CFS aren't useful diagnoses.  They
appear to be fancy ways of saying they can't make a diagnosis and have
little idea whether you will get better or how your condition should
be treated.

> She tested and found my iron and vit D levels were scarily
> low.... (despite eating healthy and getting out in the sun when I
> could.) and put me on supplements.

Now those are real diagnoses.  However, unless you have a freakish
diet, they shouldn't have just given you iron, they should have tried
to figure out where the iron already in your diet was going.  Maybe
you're bleeding internally.

> ... if they'd said "You know, right now we can't find anything
> wrong, but lets stay on top of this until we can pin down the
> problem." ...

That's what your doctor now should be saying, instead of diagnosing
you with FMS or Fibro.
-- 
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html
before emailing me.




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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-09 22:21:02 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-09 23:13:42 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-10 04:39:57 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-10 08:12:21 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-10 20:57:51 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-10 21:18:37 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-11 02:00:56 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-11 06:51:09 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-10 21:55:27 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-11 02:14:37 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-11 13:22:59 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-11 09:31:04 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-14 21:25:10 
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cryptoguy <treifamily@  2008-04-10 07:26:55 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-10 20:44:30 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-08 08:23:05 
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Lowell Gilbert <lgusen  2008-04-08 14:26:54 
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cryptoguy <treifamily@  2008-04-09 09:05:49 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-09 21:45:40 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-10 11:58:00 
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cryptoguy <treifamily@  2008-04-10 07:49:47 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-10 17:13:00 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-10 18:19:36 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-10 21:06:06 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-11 06:54:06 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-12 13:28:38 
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tmcd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-04-11 18:32:29 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-12 12:45:13 
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dbell@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-11 11:41:02 
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Robert Sneddon <fred@[  2008-04-11 19:50:31 
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Daniel R. Reitman <dre  2008-04-11 17:54:43 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-16 20:21:12 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-16 21:56:03 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-16 21:15:39 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-16 21:17:52 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-17 19:48:14 
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Andre Lieven <andrelie  2008-04-02 14:57:31 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-02 23:36:36 
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Alan Woodford <alanw@[  2008-04-03 05:46:32 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-03 11:41:11 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-02 23:33:39 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-03 11:53:05 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-03 15:41:00 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-03 19:49:38 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-04 11:24:00 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-04 11:40:12 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-04 13:16:00 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-04 20:43:15 
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djheydt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-05 04:54:17 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-05 08:29:56 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-04 17:06:56 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-04 20:08:00 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-05 08:27:06 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-05 12:23:14 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-05 16:57:20 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-05 13:08:17 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-05 17:20:34 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-05 18:12:07 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-03 10:44:06 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-03 19:56:44 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-04 08:43:05 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-04 11:24:00 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-04 06:40:35 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-04 11:48:00 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-04 13:53:58 
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Douglas Berry <penguin  2008-04-04 07:58:22 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-05 14:26:00 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-05 01:48:16 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-20 19:04:20 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-04 06:49:58 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-04 12:01:00 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-04 11:43:31 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-04 13:16:00 
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"Dan Goodman" &  2008-04-04 22:45:27 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-04 19:23:10 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-04 20:33:38 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-04 21:47:42 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-04-04 19:47:54 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-05 02:04:39 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-04-05 01:15:23 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-05 04:52:06 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-05 09:05:01 
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djheydt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-04 23:16:07 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-04 19:28:12 
The great Kate (was I've seen things ...)
djheydt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-04 14:12:02 
Re: The great Kate (was I've seen things ...)
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-04 14:08:30 
Re: The great Kate (was I've seen things ...)
David Harmon <source@[  2008-04-04 22:15:56 
Re: The great Kate (was I've seen things ...)
djheydt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-05 05:31:11 
Re: The great Kate (was I've seen things ...)
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-05 02:00:12 
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Sean O'Hara <seanohara  2008-04-05 11:20:41 
Re: The great Kate (was I've seen things ...)
"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-05 12:14:17 
Re: The great Kate (was I've seen things ...)
mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-05 19:54:06 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-04 00:02:58 
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Andre Lieven <andrelie  2008-04-02 22:29:37 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-03 15:41:00 
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Andre Lieven <andrelie  2008-04-03 11:37:35 
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Andre Lieven <andrelie  2008-04-03 11:35:56 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-03 18:38:11 
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Andre Lieven <andrelie  2008-04-03 14:03:20 
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Lee Ratner <LBRatner@[  2008-04-04 05:58:46 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-04 15:05:00 
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djheydt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-04 14:07:21 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-20 18:00:55 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-04 13:51:17 
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Lee Ratner <LBRatner@[  2008-04-04 06:04:17 
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smg231@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-05 18:17:54 
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Daniel R. Reitman <dre  2008-04-05 23:18:04 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-17 20:16:21 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-17 21:41:50 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-18 02:49:58 
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Arthur T. <arthur@[EMA  2008-04-18 01:09:28 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-18 10:50:00 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-18 10:39:48 
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Jette <bosslady@[EMAIL  2008-04-18 15:41:13 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-18 13:36:42 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-18 18:40:32 
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prd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (P  2008-04-19 14:41:00 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-19 10:15:07 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-19 16:33:17 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-20 02:01:41 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-19 23:21:50 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-20 03:37:19 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-20 10:24:45 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-21 18:36:00 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-21 18:16:52 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-21 23:38:46 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-21 23:42:48 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-22 10:38:38 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-22 11:58:38 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-22 13:39:15 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2008-04-22 23:03:15 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-22 23:38:39 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-22 16:52:09 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-23 04:30:47 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-04-23 17:55:28 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-23 19:28:03 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-23 20:06:43 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-23 20:30:46 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-23 21:56:46 
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goldfarb@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-24 09:43:07 
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Daniel R. Reitman <dre  2008-04-22 18:59:13 
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Kip Williams <kiptw@[E  2008-04-22 22:40:54 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-09 14:11:15 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-21 18:45:23 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-21 23:38:13 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-21 22:58:23 
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mike weber <fairportfa  2008-04-22 10:32:32 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-20 16:22:29 
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"David V. Loewe, Jr&  2008-04-20 12:03:58 
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Nels Satterlund <NelsS  2008-04-20 20:36:26 
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"Karl Johanson"  2008-04-21 18:14:12 
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netcat <netcat@[EMAIL   2008-04-21 12:07:19 
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David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-04-21 09:49:57 
Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
"Karl Johanson"