Re: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...

mike weber <fairportfan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Secondly, the most usual "full" version says "sacrifices essential
> liberty for a temporary security" will soon have neither."
> (Approximate, but not more than a word or two off; i'm sure the
> meaning is accurately-stated.)

Maybe, maybe not - the usual formulations refer to "deserve neither..."
rather than "soon have neither":

From wikiquote ( http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
):
  Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary
  Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

  This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical
  Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759) which
  was attributed to Franklin in the edition of 1812, but in a letter of
  September 27, 1760 to David Hume, he states that he published this book
  and denies that he wrote it, other than a few remarks that were credited
  to the Pennsylvania Assembly, in which he served. The phrase itself was
  first used in a letter from that Assembly dated November 11, 1755 to the
  Governor of Pennsylvania. An article on the origins of this statement
here
  includes a scan that indicates the original typography of the 1759
  document, which uses an archaic form of "s": "Tho.e who would give up
  Essential Liberty to purcha.e a little Temporary Safety, de.erve neither
  Liberty nor Safety." Researchers now believe that a fellow diplomat by
the
  name of Richard Jackson is the primary author of the book. With the
  information thus far available the issue of authorship of the statement
is
  not yet definitely resolved, but the evidence indicates it was very
likely
  Franklin, who in the Poor Richard's Almanack of 1738 is known to have
  written a similar proverb: "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor
  Liberty to purchase power."

  Many paraphrased variants derived from this saying have arisen and have
  usually been incorrectly attributed to Franklin: 
    "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little
temporary
    safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety
    deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."

    "He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves
neither
    liberty nor security."

    "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."

    "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve
    neither and will lose both."

    "If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both."

    "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little
security
    will deserve neither and lose both."

    "He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither."

    "Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve
    neither."  

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