Re: Overheard on the scanner

On  Thu, 08 May 2008 18:30:50 -0700 David Friedman
<ddfr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> carved the following into the hard
stone of rec.arts.sf.fandom 
>In article <9v17245b0ettf1j4p90pnrl596n0t543gg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> >Two questions:
>> >
>> >1. What is your view of the origin of rights to property in land? How 
>> >did you get the right to exclude trespassers?
>> 
>> By laying down the money for a specified plot and assuming legal
>> responsibility for it. 
>
>How did the person you bought the land from get that right, in order 
>that he could transfer it to you? How about the person he bought it 
>from? Repeat as necessary.

Fine Our bloody ancestors came over and killed the Indians who were
here first. Of course, those natives had been slaughtering each other
over land for 10,000 years themselves.

Unless you live in Oldavi Gorge, you're ancestors at one point or
another were involved in a conquest of land taken from other peoples.
>
>> >2. How do you feel about other forms of trespass? Are planes allowed
to 
>> >fly over your land? They are probably out of range of your shotgun,
but 
>> >perhaps you could acquire something better. What about radio stations 
>> >broadcasting their signals across your land? If your neighbor drills
an 
>> >oil well and pumps, with the result that oil originally under your
land 
>> >flows under his and up, are you entitled to smash his rig, on the
theory 
>> >that it is being used to steal your oil?
>> 
>> The first two examples are ridiculous. Unless a plane is buzzing the
>> neighborhood (and then a call to the police will be made) owning
>> property does not grant control of the airspace over it unless it is
>> specified in the deed for specific reasons.
>
>So we agree that ownership of land gives you only some of the rights 
>associated with the land--perhaps the right to enjoin overflights below 
>some altitude but not above. Yet you are certain that it provides the 
>right to use force against even a non-threatening non-damaging 
>trespasser who has not been notified that you disapprove of such 
>trespass--or at least that is what you appear to be saying.

Prove that the trespasser is non-threatening. And as I've said
*REPEATEDLY*, I would have a fence and signs up.
--

Douglas E. Berry  Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail

"Where is the prince who can afford so to cover
his country with troops for its defense, as that
ten thousand men descending from the clouds, might 
not,in many places, do an infinite deal of mischief
before a force could be brought together to repel 
them?" - BENJAMIN FRANKLIN-1784