On May 14, 9:21 pm, mark <whitr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Harry Mary Andruschak wrote:
> > On May 13, 8:49pm, wdst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(William December Starr) wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <9ff7103b-d0e2-46af-9860-5faff7edb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
Har=
ry
> >> Mary Andruschak <adoptsoldc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said:
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> >> > In his letter to the Catholic League today, Hagee said he now
> >> > understands that other terms he used to describe the church - "the
> >> > great whore" and the "apostate church" - are "rhetorical devices
> >> > long employed in anti-Catholic literature."
>
> >> Prior to learning that, he thought they were terms of affection?
>
> >> > He said he had gained a better understanding in recent weeks of
> >> > the Catholic Church's relation****p to the Jewish faith. Hagee
> >> > wrote of his "profound respect for the Catholic people" in the
> >> > letter and said he hoped to advance "greater unity among Catholics
> >> > and Evangelicals."
>
> >> Right up until the polls close on election day.
>
> > But look on the bright side...this may be enough of an excuse for me
> > (and some other Catholics, exact numbers not at hand) to vote
> > Democrat, in spite of the democrat's sup****t of abortion and gay
> > marriage.
>
> As opposed to the Bible''s sup****t of abortion on demand (Numbers 5:
12-27=
)
>
> mark
Have you ever read Number 5:12-27 or are you just repeating an error
you read in other sources? A quick google showed that a lot of people
make the same mistake. The text of the Bible is widely available on
the web, but a lot of people don't bother checking claims like that.
The Bible Gateway site at http://www.biblegateway.com
has a lot of
translations in one place. Here is the passage in question as
translated in the NIV:
The Test for an Unfaithful Wife
11 Then the LORD said to Moses, 12 "Speak to the Israelites and say
to them: 'If a man's wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 by
sleeping with another man, and this is hidden from her husband and her
impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she
has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come
over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure=97or if he
is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure- 15 then he
is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a
tenth of an ephah [c] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour
oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for
jealousy, a reminder offering to draw attention to guilt.
16 " 'The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD.
17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust
from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had
the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in
her hands the reminder offering, the grain offering for jealousy,
while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then
the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, "If no other
man has slept with you and you have not gone astray and become impure
while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a
curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to
your husband and you have defiled yourself by sleeping with a man
other than your husband"- 21 here the priest is to put the woman under
this curse of the oath-"may the LORD cause your people to curse and
denounce you when he causes your thigh to waste away and your abdomen
to swell. [d] 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so
that your abdomen swells and your thigh wastes away. [e] "
" 'Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."
23 " 'The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash
them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall have the woman drink the
bitter water that brings a curse, and this water will enter her and
cause bitter suffering. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the
grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the LORD and bring it to
the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain
offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that,
he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has defiled herself
and been unfaithful to her husband, then when she is made to drink the
water that brings a curse, it will go into her and cause bitter
suffering; her abdomen will swell and her thigh waste away, [f] and
she will become accursed among her people. 28 If, however, the woman
has not defiled herself and is free from impurity, she will be cleared
of guilt and will be able to have children.
Here are the footnotes:
3. Numbers 5:15 That is, probably about 2 quarts (about 2 liters)
4. Numbers 5:21 Or causes you to have a miscarrying womb and
barrenness
5. Numbers 5:22 Or body and cause you to be barren and have a
miscarrying womb
6. Numbers 5:27 Or suffering; she will have barrenness and a
miscarrying womb
The passage describes a form of trial by ordeal. However, while
ordinary trials by ordeal require the accused person to do something
that normally would cause serious injury, such as picking up or
walking on very hot metal, on the assumption that God or the gods
would preserve him from harm if he were innocent, this trial requires
a wife accused of being unfaithful -- the text does not say she is
pregnant -- to drink water that has dust in it. If nothing happens
she is to be presumed innocent. Only if she suffers some kind of
physical affliction after drinking the water is she to be considered
guilty of adultery.
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Marty Helgesen
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