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Re: PC--What is it good for?

by archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nate Edel) Dec 13, 2007 at 01:35 PM

In rec.arts.sf.written Ken from Chicago <kwicker1b_nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> "Nate Edel" <archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> >> One main server per home, with individual virtualized pcs per person.
> >
> > My guess is that each virtualized PC will cost nearly what a real PC
> > would, and the server as an expensive add-on cost.  Add in the fact
that
> > you're then hosed if the server goes down (more cost for
> > sup****t/reliability to avoid it) ... and that if you need to upgrade
any
> > one node, suddenly you're upgrading the server as well.
>
> How much does each login cost you for your pc?

My desktop PC would cost about $1200 to replace, although since it's been
upgraded by parts over the course of years, the total amount is a bit
higher.  A good basic desktop PC, though, is pretty readily assemblable
for
a bit under $400.  It's hard to imagine a decent thin client costing much
less than that.

> If server crashes, that's okay, just reformat and reload your backup.

And everyone in your household is down until you do, instead of only one
person (who can then borrow another machine as a backup.)

> You can upgrade individual hd drives, swap out or add on--in some cases
"hot 
> swaps", plug-n-play. With a fully modular pc, you could swap out cpus or
add 
> on for parallel processing. You upgrade video and audio cards the same
way, 
> etc.

Video and audio cards are always going to need to be on the virtualized
client, unless you've got some bodaciously fast trans****t to them, or
you're
dealing with a literally multiheaded PC with DVI cables or similar leading
back to it.  

And once again, anything like memory and hard drive upgrades would have to
be up to server standards of reliability unless you wanted tinkering and
hot-swapping to take the whole house down.  We COULD have hot-swapping on
desktops today (and some very high end ones do) if people wanted to pay
for
it; they don't. 

Heck, from what I can see, people don't want to even deal with properly
stopping external USB devices before unplugging them, and that's no cash
cost, just inconvenience.

-- 
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PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-09 05:03:38 
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Alan Jenkins <alan-jen  2007-12-09 05:02:31 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-11 03:08:48 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-10 19:28:32 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-12 19:17:11 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-13 19:23:49 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-14 06:46:39 
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ncwaite@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-12-10 02:04:01 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-10 06:00:20 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Robert Carnegie <rja.c  2007-12-10 08:43:05 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2007-12-10 13:39:33 
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Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-10 09:56:54 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-10 19:26:00 
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Peter Bruells <usernet  2007-12-11 08:15:38 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 17:34:03 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
David Johnston <david@  2007-12-12 01:54:47 
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rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-10 17:36:47 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 00:23:30 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-11 03:01:45 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 00:30:13 
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Peter Bruells <usernet  2007-12-11 09:49:25 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-11 02:58:14 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 01:00:39 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Peter Bruells <usernet  2007-12-11 10:10:57 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-11 03:20:20 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-12-11 18:16:36 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 21:52:38 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-12 05:32:59 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
David Johnston <david@  2007-12-12 21:36:48 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 19:49:37 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
David Johnston <david@  2007-12-12 05:17:29 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 01:46:46 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-11 04:39:47 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-11 06:43:53 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-11 17:42:53 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-11 22:04:35 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 10:46:02 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
David Johnston <david@  2007-12-11 19:22:25 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-12-11 18:20:04 
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Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 10:58:50 
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rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-11 18:34:26 
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rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-12 03:03:16 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-12-12 13:36:07 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-16 03:48:17 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Matthias Warkus <Warku  2007-12-16 19:14:17 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-16 12:32:17 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Matthias Warkus <Warku  2007-12-16 20:46:20 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-17 03:20:55 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-17 18:40:44 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
No 33 Secretary <terry  2007-12-17 18:08:35 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Matthias Warkus <Warku  2007-12-17 21:50:11 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
No 33 Secretary <terry  2007-12-17 21:14:16 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Monkey boy <yeeyeeyee@  2007-12-17 22:09:24 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-17 19:44:45 
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No 33 Secretary <terry  2007-12-18 17:11:41 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-18 21:40:00 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
No 33 Secretary <terry  2007-12-17 18:07:35 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Matthias Warkus <Warku  2007-12-17 21:41:01 
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No 33 Secretary <terry  2007-12-17 21:12:22 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Jasper Janssen <jasper  2007-12-18 22:11:14 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
No 33 Secretary <terry  2007-12-18 21:25:59 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-18 21:47:13 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Tim Bruening <tsbrueni  2007-12-20 01:50:41 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Terry Austin <terry.no  2007-12-21 04:01:01 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-12-18 00:15:31 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-18 03:23:53 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Jack Tingle <wjtingle@  2007-12-18 10:24:00 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-18 17:38:39 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-18 21:50:52 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-19 20:57:53 
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Peter Bruells <usernet  2007-12-20 08:35:21 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-20 12:06:16 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Peter Bruells <usernet  2007-12-19 10:22:11 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-19 06:36:54 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Peter Bruells <usernet  2007-12-19 17:07:03 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2007-12-19 09:04:25 
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Peter Bruells <usernet  2007-12-19 18:14:42 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2007-12-19 11:17:15 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Peter Bruells <usernet  2007-12-19 21:41:57 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-20 19:11:14 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2007-12-20 18:14:24 
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"Mike Schilling"  2007-12-19 09:31:18 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Brion K. Lienhart&q  2007-12-19 12:24:56 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-19 19:51:15 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-20 06:12:02 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-20 18:31:48 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-20 21:29:29 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-21 07:08:35 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-21 15:27:03 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-21 17:43:52 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-22 01:46:46 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-22 08:53:01 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-22 14:56:52 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-22 09:49:23 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-22 18:37:24 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-23 00:52:06 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-23 02:55:28 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-23 16:12:33 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-23 12:27:59 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2007-12-23 15:46:12 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-24 01:15:50 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Walter Bushell <proto@  2007-12-24 13:14:52 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-24 14:53:07 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-23 20:48:09 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-24 02:32:05 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-23 16:12:09 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-24 13:49:21 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-24 16:18:14 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-24 10:31:28 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2007-12-24 13:25:09 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-24 18:24:06 
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"pullo" <pul  2007-12-24 13:34:32 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2007-12-24 19:02:15 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-25 04:07:11 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-25 17:01:36 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Robert Hutchinson <ser  2007-12-25 19:50:41 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-24 14:10:31 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-24 21:44:30 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-25 17:00:07 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-26 05:23:36 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-26 06:20:30 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-26 18:59:47 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-26 19:21:05 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-27 02:43:59 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-26 23:29:34 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-27 15:22:03 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-27 03:45:56 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-27 22:23:38 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2007-12-27 08:43:45 
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"James Gassaway"  2007-12-26 12:54:12 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-26 21:24:19 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"James Gassaway"  2007-12-26 17:31:09 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-27 01:48:18 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-25 14:19:14 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-22 07:09:30 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-22 09:54:17 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-24 13:56:09 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-24 10:30:38 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-25 14:22:07 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-12-25 17:56:01 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-26 06:22:36 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-27 16:44:54 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-24 13:51:18 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-24 09:05:05 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-25 09:48:30 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-25 13:23:30 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Keith F. Lynch"  2007-12-26 23:13:25 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-27 16:46:31 
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mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-12-27 19:31:59 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2007-12-27 20:32:24 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-27 22:30:20 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-27 14:01:00 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-27 16:46:03 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2007-12-29 23:48:48 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-12-22 00:15:54 
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rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-13 02:30:25 
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rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-13 08:04:32 
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rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-14 05:24:16 
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rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-15 05:25:31 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-15 08:25:52 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-12-18 00:01:38 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-18 03:21:35 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-12-18 12:49:12 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"pullo" <pul  2007-12-15 17:05:29 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-15 19:22:51 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-16 01:18:33 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Jasper Janssen <jasper  2007-12-16 13:58:40 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Matthias Warkus <Warku  2007-12-16 19:04:44 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Brion K. Lienhart&q  2007-12-16 13:10:44 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
Al Gore <usenet0000000  2007-12-16 16:09:00 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2007-12-16 20:54:54 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
"Brion K. Lienhart&q  2007-12-17 10:42:32 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2007-12-17 14:19:10 
Re: PC--What is it good for?
No 33 Secretary <terry  2007-12-17 18:59:31