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Re: PC--What is it good for?

by Jasper Janssen <jasper@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Dec 27, 2007 at 05:23 PM

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:44:56 -0800, archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Nate Edel) wrote:
>In rec.arts.sf.written Jasper Janssen <jasper@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:35:27 -0800, archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Nate Edel)
wrote:
>> >Heck, from what I can see, people don't want to even deal with
properly
>> >stopping external USB devices before unplugging them, and that's no
cash
>> >cost, just inconvenience.
>>
>> And there's no reason whatsoever for it to be necessary, either.
Writeback
>> versus write-through caching schemes aren't *that* different in
>> performance, mostly. Most USB sticks and card readers have activity
LEDs,
>> jsut like floppy drives used to have. Don't pull while light is
fla****ng.
>
>Writeback vs. write through makes a huge difference when the issue is
>batching up metadata writes vs. making everything synchronous.  That's
>especially true with disk with its big difference in seek time vs. write
>throughput, but somewhat noticeable even with flash. 

I'm not sure you should be using an external disk for applications where
you'd be regularly writing very small chunks of data, anyway. It's not the
typical usage scenario for a USB stick, that's for sure. Or at least it
wasn't prior to U3/****tableApps & co.

If the cache is inside the controller on the USB key, it will of course
light the read/write led while any data is waiting in the cache to be
written. I don't think there's an API that allows it to do the same for a
writeback cache in the PC itself, but it wouldn't be *that* hard to
implement.

Jasper
 




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PC--What is it good for?
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Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 17:34:03 
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David Johnston <david@  2007-12-12 01:54:47 
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rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-10 17:36:47 
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Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 00:23:30 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-11 03:01:45 
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Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 00:30:13 
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Peter Bruells <usernet  2007-12-11 09:49:25 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-11 02:58:14 
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Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 01:00:39 
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Peter Bruells <usernet  2007-12-11 10:10:57 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-11 03:20:20 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-12-11 18:16:36 
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Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 21:52:38 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-12 05:32:59 
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David Johnston <david@  2007-12-12 21:36:48 
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Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 19:49:37 
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David Johnston <david@  2007-12-12 05:17:29 
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Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 01:46:46 
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rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-11 04:39:47 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-11 06:43:53 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-11 17:42:53 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-11 22:04:35 
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Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 10:46:02 
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David Johnston <david@  2007-12-11 19:22:25 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-12-11 18:20:04 
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Gene Ward Smith <genew  2007-12-11 10:58:50 
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rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-11 18:34:26 
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rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-12 03:03:16 
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ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-12-12 13:36:07 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-16 03:48:17 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2007-12-16 19:14:17 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-16 12:32:17 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2007-12-16 20:46:20 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-17 03:20:55 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-17 18:40:44 
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No 33 Secretary <terry  2007-12-17 18:08:35 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2007-12-17 21:50:11 
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No 33 Secretary <terry  2007-12-17 21:14:16 
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Monkey boy <yeeyeeyee@  2007-12-17 22:09:24 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-17 19:44:45 
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No 33 Secretary <terry  2007-12-18 17:11:41 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-18 21:40:00 
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No 33 Secretary <terry  2007-12-17 18:07:35 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2007-12-17 21:41:01 
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No 33 Secretary <terry  2007-12-17 21:12:22 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2007-12-18 22:11:14 
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No 33 Secretary <terry  2007-12-18 21:25:59 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-18 21:47:13 
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni  2007-12-20 01:50:41 
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Terry Austin <terry.no  2007-12-21 04:01:01 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-12-18 00:15:31 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-18 03:23:53 
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Jack Tingle <wjtingle@  2007-12-18 10:24:00 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-18 17:38:39 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-18 21:50:52 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-19 20:57:53 
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Peter Bruells <usernet  2007-12-20 08:35:21 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-20 12:06:16 
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Peter Bruells <usernet  2007-12-19 10:22:11 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-19 06:36:54 
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Peter Bruells <usernet  2007-12-19 17:07:03 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2007-12-19 09:04:25 
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Peter Bruells <usernet  2007-12-19 18:14:42 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2007-12-19 11:17:15 
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Peter Bruells <usernet  2007-12-19 21:41:57 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-20 19:11:14 
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Kurt Busiek <kurt@[EMA  2007-12-20 18:14:24 
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"Mike Schilling"  2007-12-19 09:31:18 
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"Brion K. Lienhart&q  2007-12-19 12:24:56 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-19 19:51:15 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-20 06:12:02 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-20 18:31:48 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-20 21:29:29 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-21 07:08:35 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-21 15:27:03 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-21 17:43:52 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-22 01:46:46 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-22 08:53:01 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-22 14:56:52 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-22 09:49:23 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-22 18:37:24 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-23 00:52:06 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-23 02:55:28 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-23 16:12:33 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-23 12:27:59 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2007-12-23 15:46:12 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-24 01:15:50 
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Walter Bushell <proto@  2007-12-24 13:14:52 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-24 14:53:07 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-23 20:48:09 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-24 02:32:05 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-23 16:12:09 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-24 13:49:21 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-24 16:18:14 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-24 10:31:28 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2007-12-24 13:25:09 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-24 18:24:06 
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"pullo" <pul  2007-12-24 13:34:32 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2007-12-24 19:02:15 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-25 04:07:11 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-25 17:01:36 
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Robert Hutchinson <ser  2007-12-25 19:50:41 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-24 14:10:31 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-24 21:44:30 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-25 17:00:07 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-26 05:23:36 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-26 06:20:30 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-26 18:59:47 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-26 19:21:05 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-27 02:43:59 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-26 23:29:34 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-27 15:22:03 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-27 03:45:56 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-27 22:23:38 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2007-12-27 08:43:45 
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"James Gassaway"  2007-12-26 12:54:12 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-26 21:24:19 
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"James Gassaway"  2007-12-26 17:31:09 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-27 01:48:18 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-25 14:19:14 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-22 07:09:30 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-22 09:54:17 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-24 13:56:09 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-24 10:30:38 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-25 14:22:07 
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wdstarr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-12-25 17:56:01 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-26 06:22:36 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-27 16:44:54 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-24 13:51:18 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-24 09:05:05 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-25 09:48:30 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-25 13:23:30 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2007-12-26 23:13:25 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-27 16:46:31 
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mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-12-27 19:31:59 
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"Keith F. Lynch"  2007-12-27 20:32:24 
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2007-12-27 22:30:20 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-27 14:01:00 
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pv+usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-27 16:46:03 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2007-12-29 23:48:48 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-12-22 00:15:54 
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rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-13 02:30:25 
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rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-13 08:04:32 
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rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-14 05:24:16 
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rja.carnegie@[EMAIL PROTE  2007-12-15 05:25:31 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-15 08:25:52 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-12-18 00:01:38 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-18 03:21:35 
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archmage@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-12-18 12:49:12 
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"pullo" <pul  2007-12-15 17:05:29 
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Howard Brazee <howard@  2007-12-15 19:22:51 
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"Ken from Chicago&qu  2007-12-16 01:18:33 
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Jasper Janssen <jasper  2007-12-16 13:58:40 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2007-12-16 19:04:44 
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"Brion K. Lienhart&q  2007-12-16 13:10:44 
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Al Gore <usenet0000000  2007-12-16 16:09:00 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2007-12-16 20:54:54 
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"Brion K. Lienhart&q  2007-12-17 10:42:32 
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dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2007-12-17 14:19:10 
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No 33 Secretary <terry  2007-12-17 18:59:31 
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peachy ashie passion <  2007-12-17 22:05:11 
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No 33 Secretary <terry  2007-12-17 22:20:50 
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Sea Wasp <seawaspObvio  2007-12-17 19:28:55