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Re: Star Trek Teaser Trailer Now Up On The Internets

by "Jaxtraw" <jax@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 21, 2008 at 11:07 PM

Steven L. wrote:
> GeneK wrote:
>> "Jaxtraw" <jax@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:4794f3ad$0$21104
>>> It clearly had "magic" powers i.e. it could do whatever the story
>>> required
>>> without explanation. It could control the ship. It could control
>>> emotions.
>>> It could make people believe untrue things (Chekov's brother). It
>>> could heal
>>> fatally wounded people (McCoy testified to that).
>>
>> OTOH, if it could make people believe in colonies and family
>> members who never existed, maybe it could also make them
>> believe their ships were doing things they weren't, and that
>> nonexistent woulds were mysteriously healing.
>
> That would mean it had the power of illusion like the Talosians.
>
> But in "The Cage," what kept things firmly grounded in reality was
> that the Big E was orbiting Talos IV and was (for the most part)
> unaffected by most of the illusions.  Only the landing party was
> being victimized by these illusions.
>
> Whereas in your interpretation of "Day of the Dove," virtually
> everybody would be affected by the illusions (both the Enterprise and
> the Klington ship and the planet's surface).  Heck, maybe Kang and
> his Klingon crew didn't exist either, any more than the Kalar warrior
> in the Rigel VII illusion that Pike experienced.

I think in these situations it's best to apply a test of asking whether
the
creators included any positive indicators of a particular interpretation.
If
they didn't, it means it's not part of the meta-reality they created. For
instance, the theory "Kirk is really a reptilian alien in disguise, but
neither he nor anyone else realises it" fails this test since nowhere in
the
series is there an indicator that that's positively true. Likewise if Kang
and Krew were "really" illusory then there would be some indicator in the
script that that was the case. Since there isn't, we can presume it not to
be so.

In the real world, you can speculate about unknowns, because even unknowns
have an objective reality, even if you have no idea what it is. In a
fictional reality, only that which is positively indicated has any
validity.


--
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"Jaxtraw" <j  2008-01-18 17:09:22 
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"GeneK" <gen  2008-01-18 11:01:25 
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Anybody <anybody@[EMAI  2008-01-19 10:16:03 
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"GeneK" <gen  2008-01-18 13:35:24 
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cstacy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-01-18 22:17:59 
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"David Halpern"  2008-01-18 16:19:57 
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"Jaxtraw" <j  2008-01-19 22:10:26 
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"GeneK" <gen  2008-01-19 15:21:57 
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