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Re: SFish type concept. Will it actuall work?

by "Fred Klingener" <gigabitbucket@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 25, 2008 at 02:36 PM

"Frank Scrooby" <X@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:fnchp1$1j1$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Greets
>
> Spotted these links:
> http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/4243793.html
>
> http://www.johnsonems.com/jhtec.html
>
> Wonder what the residents here would think?

Sign me up. The fundamentals are there. I hate and end up not paying any 
attention to SF (or listen to political campaign promises) that violate(s)

the first or second laws of thermodynamics. JTEC doesn't, so that
attribute 
alone sets it apart.

It has potential to infiltrate a lot of different markets. Central station

power generation? Probably not in my lifetime.

A first glance, JTEC appears to share with most of the Stirling engines
some 
of the limitations on realizing the high theoretical thermal efficiencies
- 
e.g. conduction and regenerator losses, but is free of others - e.g. 
mechanical losses. But with sound fundamentals, low realized efficiencies 
won't impede development of JTEC to an extent greater than they impeded 
Watt, who ended up doing pretty well.

This is especially true in cases where the heat input is "free" - e.g.
solar 
or waste heat from a central station power plant (or, as with Watt, you're

working to dewater coal mines and you have "free" fuel.) JTEC wouldn't
have 
any particular advantage in recovering stack losses from a central station

power plant or an internal combustion engine. That enterprise is dominated

by fouling and condensation, not basic conversion technology. The JFET
might 
be particularly good at recovering and converting heat from the condenser
of 
a steam plant, though. Especially at nuclear plants, which have relatively

larger waste heat, and relatively greater difficulty in rejecting it.

I suppose it'd be too greedy to ask for a neutron-hardened hot junction so

you could embed it in a fission reactor core and circulate the hydrogen
out 
to the cold junction. Since this is an SF group, and such things can be 
solved with a couple of clicks on the keyboard, it'd be a plausible 
approach.

Besides for that, it would be flat FUN to work on a fission reactor/JTEC 
design. The structural, thermal, and neutron dynamics would very cool and 
they'd be completely outside anyone's experience. I dunno. Did I just
invent 
a "fission-punk" genre?

If you had ambitions to use JTEC to generate power to add to the grid, 
though, you'd have to accept the conversion losses to alternating current.

There must be thousands of installations that do this cheerfully with 
solar-generated DC, but the conversion loss make it practical only with
free 
input and maybe government subsidy.

Advice is usually worth what you pay for it.

Fred Klingener
 




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SFish type concept. Will it actuall work?
"Frank Scrooby"  2008-01-25 13:39:12 
Re: SFish type concept. Will it actuall work?
"Fred Klingener"  2008-01-25 14:36:24 
Re: SFish type concept. Will it actuall work?
nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-01-26 09:54:59 
Re: SFish type concept. Will it actuall work?
"Fred Klingener"  2008-01-26 16:02:44 
Re: SFish type concept. Will it actuall work?
"dwight.thieme@[EMAI  2008-01-26 09:34:16 
Re: SFish type concept. Will it actuall work?
nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-01-27 04:32:33 
Re: SFish type concept. Will it actuall work?
"dwight.thieme@[EMAI  2008-01-27 08:36:31 
Re: SFish type concept. Will it actuall work?
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-01-25 17:09:34 
Re: SFish type concept. Will it actuall work?
ErictheTolle@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-01-25 10:11:00 
Re: SFish type concept. Will it actuall work?
Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-01-25 18:37:21 
Re: SFish type concept. Will it actuall work?
throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-01-25 18:23:06 
Re: SFish type concept. Will it actuall work?
Jack Tingle <wjtingle@  2008-01-25 17:29:19 
Re: SFish type concept. Will it actuall work?
Eivind Kjorstad <eivin  2008-01-27 11:31:22 

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