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Re: Timelines

by Erik Max Francis <max@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 5, 2008 at 01:18 AM

John Schilling wrote:

> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:27:29 -0800, Erik Max Francis <max@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
> 
>> John Schilling wrote:
> 
>>> Who do you imagine is capable of sending spacecraft to Saturn within a
>>> decade?  NASA couldn't do it, not even with unlimited funding and the
>>> certain knowledge that every NASA employee would be tortured to death
>>> if they failed.  Nor ESA, nor the Russians, nor the plucky unstoppable
>>> Chinese what are going to rule the world within a decade.  The United
>>> States Air Force would be a long shot, and who else is there?
> 
>> You'll have to be clear about exactly what you think is impossible, 
>> since we've done it before.  Neither the planning or the actual trip
(if 
>> one were to use simple chemical drives, possibly with gravity assists) 
>> takes longer than a decade, as _Apollo_ and the _Voyager_ programs
show, 
>> respectively (and _Apollo_ is vastly more complicated than what we're 
>> talking about here -- we're talking about a simple probe that will test

>> the FTL drive).
> 
> "We" have done this before?
> 
> I don't recall being involved in the Apollo project.  Were you?

I was referring to the collective "we," which would be pretty obvious if 
you weren't on a pointless nitpicking hunt.

> A bunch of people who are now dead, or close enough as makes no
> difference, did it before.  They can't do it again.  That a bunch
> of completely different people are now doing business under the
> same name, doesn't mean they can do what the dead guys once did.
> 
> You might as well ask Xerox to develop the information technologies 
> that will dominate the coming decades, or the Tennessee Valley
> Authority to built a first-rate hydroelectric power network, or
> the Rolling Stones to make a decent album.

This is a pretty pointless response, quite frankly.  I didn't say that 
we would redo _Apollo_.  I said that _Apollo_ and _Voyager_ are 
existence proofs that it's quite doable.  With significantly inferior 
technology, no less.

Unless you really think that a manned mission to the Moon was only 
possible in the 1960s and would be _completely impossible today_ because 
those people are dead or have moved on, which in case, that's just 
stupid.  (And, like I said, I wasn't even talking about actually doing 
that.)

-- 
Erik Max Francis && max@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 && http://www.alcyone.com/max/
  San Jose, CA, USA && 37 18 N 121 57 W && AIM, Y!M erikmaxfrancis
   Time is a storm in which we are all lost.
    -- George Bernard Shaw




 34 Posts in Topic:
Timelines
jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-02 14:21:27 
Re: Timelines
Jack Tingle <wjtingle@  2008-02-02 18:07:38 
Re: Timelines
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-02 18:44:04 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-03 10:22:27 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-02-03 18:28:04 
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George W Harris <gharr  2008-02-04 01:48:37 
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Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-03 13:27:29 
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Robert Martinu <invali  2008-02-04 08:36:52 
Re: Timelines
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-04 18:57:29 
Re: Timelines
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-05 01:18:12 
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Keith Morrison <keithm  2008-02-05 15:34:41 
Re: Timelines
Jack Tingle <wjtingle@  2008-02-05 18:39:44 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-06 17:26:32 
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raphfrk <raphfrk@[EMAI  2008-02-04 04:34:30 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-04 18:57:29 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2008-02-05 18:08:43 
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Robert Martinu <invali  2008-02-05 19:43:44 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2008-02-05 18:56:58 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-06 17:26:32 
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IsaacKuo <mechdan@[EMA  2008-02-06 18:19:32 
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Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-07 00:13:13 
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Brian Davis <brdavis@[  2008-02-05 04:53:28 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-05 18:52:09 
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IsaacKuo <mechdan@[EMA  2008-02-05 11:59:46 
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Robert Martinu <invali  2008-02-05 21:31:21 
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IsaacKuo <mechdan@[EMA  2008-02-05 12:57:51 
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Robert Martinu <invali  2008-02-05 22:59:45 
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Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-05 16:27:07 
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Keith Morrison <keithm  2008-02-06 10:45:34 
Re: Timelines
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-06 17:26:32 
Re: Timelines
IsaacKuo <mechdan@[EMA  2008-02-05 14:19:27 
Re: Timelines
Phillip Thorne <pethor  2008-02-06 22:42:16 
Re: Timelines
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-07 00:19:27 
Re: Timelines
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-07 17:50:16 

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