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Re: OT: Wildepad

by throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wayne Throop) Feb 15, 2008 at 02:11 AM

:: Productive, to me, is an answer which shows that the responder
:: understood the premise and is willing to apply a bit of suspension of
:: disbelief to place themselves in the protag's position. 

: Erik Max Francis <max@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
: In other words, "productive" means doing what you want without question.

:   Uh huh.

Weeeeeelllll, I don't think that's quite the issue.  The thing is,
"the protag's position" in this case involves trying to judge the motives
and rationality of a person accosting him with a bizarre story.  It's only
natural that the discussion would involve whether that bizarre story is
itself sensible; that goes to the core of how one reacts to the person
telling the story.

So, I think people were following the premise fair and square.  They were
trying to judge what the person was telling them; *that*'s the "protag's
position" after all: do I believe this person, and in either case, do
I feel like I'd buy the ticket, and why?  I, personally, would probably
feel a bit paranoid and tend to think there's a hidden hook that's going
to git me, and wouldn't easily be convinced to do it.  Partly because I
don't pay the lottery at all, I suppose.  My initial reaction is, if the
person attempts to remove any discernible downside, I might go along.
All in all, if that person wants me to have a lottery ticket, he should
give me one.  The objection that it's too hard for him to provide it
is all well and good, but I don't believe it (whether rightly or wrongly),
so it seems reasonably on-topic to propose alternative scenarios to show
just *why* I don't believe it.

And note, the argument that 20 percent more agents were lost (for small
numbers of agents lost) "prove" that it's reasonable that the agent not
hand me the ticket, has two flaws.  First, the arument didn't say how much
more effective the slightly-higher-risk task was in saving timelines,
and second, even if it wasn't more effective (by authorial fiat), that
doesn't convince *me* as somebody listening to the pitch of this guy
who's knocked at my door.

Bottom line then, such a person would have a long metaphorical
uphill trudge to convince me to go along.  Ultimately, because his
story doesn't ring true to me, and that is partly because he seems to 
systematically avoid any way of checking its veracity.


Wayne Throop   throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   http://sheol.org/throopw




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OT: Wildepad
Someone Else <someone.  2008-02-12 20:28:44 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-13 03:20:52 
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Someone Else <someone.  2008-02-12 22:49:45 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-13 05:45:17 
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bealoid <signup@[EMAIL  2008-02-13 11:29:05 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-13 17:29:48 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-13 04:50:05 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-13 05:39:23 
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Someone Else <someone.  2008-02-13 01:46:22 
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fairwater@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-13 07:48:58 
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Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-13 01:52:06 
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fairwater@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-02-13 16:02:12 
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Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-13 15:49:54 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-13 17:33:00 
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Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-13 16:04:18 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-14 18:28:39 
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Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-14 15:19:25 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-15 01:15:27 
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bealoid <signup@[EMAIL  2008-02-13 11:27:25 
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IsaacKuo <mechdan@[EMA  2008-02-13 07:03:57 
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Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-13 10:52:35 
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Someone Else <someone.  2008-02-13 14:05:58 
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Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-13 14:27:56 
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Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-13 16:04:52 
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Robert Martinu <invali  2008-02-13 18:13:26 
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Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-13 16:01:28 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-13 19:25:36 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-14 18:47:06 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-14 17:55:24 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-15 00:12:09 
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bealoid <signup@[EMAIL  2008-02-15 14:11:30 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-15 17:33:55 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-17 02:08:32 
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Terry Austin <taustinc  2008-02-17 17:01:10 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-17 20:53:35 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-18 18:28:09 
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Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-14 18:37:39 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-15 00:42:53 
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Jens Egon Nyborg <jens  2008-02-15 02:19:23 
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Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-14 17:29:29 
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bealoid <signup@[EMAIL  2008-02-15 14:18:56 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-17 02:08:32 
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Robert Martinu <invali  2008-02-17 18:29:15 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-17 20:53:35 
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Luke Campbell <lwcamp@  2008-02-22 17:09:02 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-23 22:54:15 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-15 14:28:49 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-17 02:08:32 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-17 08:41:01 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-18 08:29:06 
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Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-14 15:35:28 
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IsaacKuo <mechdan@[EMA  2008-02-18 08:16:53 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-18 19:44:13 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-22 09:09:31 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-22 18:28:07 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-13 18:40:34 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-02-14 08:54:15 
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Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-14 08:29:33 
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John Schilling <schill  2008-02-14 20:00:50 
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Matthias Warkus <Warku  2008-02-15 17:06:18 
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Keith Morrison <keithm  2008-02-15 09:10:08 
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bealoid <signup@[EMAIL  2008-02-15 19:58:38 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2008-02-15 22:12:15 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-15 02:11:29 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-15 18:58:00 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-15 19:37:32 
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bealoid <signup@[EMAIL  2008-02-15 19:45:08 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-17 08:13:13 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-17 20:53:35 
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Luke Campbell <lwcamp@  2008-02-24 10:47:16 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-24 14:08:54 
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"Ash Wyllie" &l  2008-02-24 15:32:40 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-24 22:39:28 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-25 17:36:11 
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Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-02-26 02:49:39 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-26 09:27:40 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-26 17:43:56 
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Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-26 15:56:16 
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Eivind Kjorstad <eivin  2008-02-28 08:43:03 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-26 17:43:56 
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Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-26 18:33:30 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-18 05:11:27 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-19 14:27:30 
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Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-19 13:23:09 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-20 13:32:02 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-20 19:55:53 
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Eivind Kjorstad <eivin  2008-02-21 09:49:40 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-21 16:16:04 
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Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-21 19:03:31 
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Eivind Kjorstad <eivin  2008-02-22 08:40:49 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-22 18:28:07 
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af250@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-23 02:12:23 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-20 20:22:17 
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying  2008-02-20 21:35:10 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-21 16:04:40 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-22 04:41:58 
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Wildepad <noreplies>  2008-02-22 18:28:07 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-27 00:36:23 

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