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Re: FTL, ether and wind

by Crown-Horned Snorkack <chornedsnorkack@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 17, 2008 at 03:30 AM

On 16 veebr, 22:38, thro...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Wayne Throop) wrote:
> : Crown-Horned Snorkack <chornedsnork...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> : Let us imagine that we establish back and forth FTL signalling between
> : Earth and Alpha Centauri.
> :
> : These two are not exactly in the same inertial frame. However, the
> : relative speed is not relativistic.
> :
> : It is relatively easy to establish that a signal exchanged at the
> : speed of light travels for 8,6 years return trip.
> :
> : Once we establish FTL signalling, we can establish that round trip
> : time is exactly zero, and never negative.
> :
> : Now assume we then examine signals sent FTL one way and at speed of
> : light the other way.
> :
> : Suppose we establish that signals sent Earth to Alpha Centauri FTL and
> : back at the speed of light take 3,3 years, while the opposite takes
> : 5,3 years.
> :
> : Have we then observed ether wind?
>
> You've observed that your FTL seems to be occuring wrt a particular
frame,
> in which both earth and AC are in pretty brisk motion, something like
> 20 percent lightspeed (iicc).  This doesn't establish that that frame is
> the only frame in which FTL can occur, nor that this is an "ether wind",
> but it is certainly suggestive.

If you have multiple frames where FTL could occur, how do you avoid
time travel?

If in frame A, sending a signal FTL to Alpha Centauri and back at
speed of light arrive 3,3 years after departure

and in frame B, sending a signal FTL to Alpha Centauri and back at
light speed takes 4,3 years, as does sending a signal at light speed
to Alpha Centauri and back FTL

then a signal sent from Earth to Alpha Centauri FTL in frame A and
back from Alpha Centauri to Earth in frame B should arrive a year
before departure.

So we have time travel.
 




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FTL, ether and wind
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-15 09:24:23 
Re: FTL, ether and wind
Andrew Plotkin <erkyra  2008-02-15 18:15:28 
Re: FTL, ether and wind
throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-15 18:16:06 
Re: FTL, ether and wind
Gene Ward Smith <gene@  2008-02-15 20:23:03 
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Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-15 12:32:20 
Re: FTL, ether and wind
dbd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (D  2008-02-15 17:59:32 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-15 22:44:17 
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Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-16 10:29:14 
Re: FTL, ether and wind
throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-16 20:38:32 
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Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-17 03:30:57 
Re: FTL, ether and wind
Howard Brazee <pbrazee  2008-02-17 17:38:56 
Re: FTL, ether and wind
throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-17 20:25:39 
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Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-18 09:05:23 
Re: FTL, ether and wind
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-19 18:25:04 
Re: FTL, ether and wind
throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-18 17:41:21 

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