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Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy

by George W Harris <gharrus@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 17, 2008 at 09:36 AM

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:27:24 +1100, bernardZ <BernardZ@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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:There is a law called the law of conservation of mass and energy under 
:QM for short periods of time this law can be broken but for the periods 
:we are talking about it must be conserved.
:
:In the scenario where a time traveller suddenly arrives in this time an 
:equivalent energy to him must go back to his time. 
:
	Time travels implies a space-time topology 
that is not simply-connected - that is, there can be 
two paths connecting two points in space-time that 
cannot be continuously transformed from one to the 
other.  For example, the surface of a sphere is simply 
connected - any path between two points can be 
smoothly transformed into any other - but the surface 
of a torus is not - a path going through the 'hole' of 
the torus can't be smoothly transformed to a path 
going around the outside of the torus.

	Say there's a time-travel event from Los 
Angeles in 2029 to Los Angeles in 1984.  If you're in 
Los Angeles in 1982, you can get to 1984 LA by just 
staying where you are for two years, or you can move 
to Sacramento, wait 40 years, move back to LA, wait 
seven more years, and then travel back to 1984 LA.  
But there's no smooth transition from one path to the other.

	Global conservation of mass/energy requires a 
simply connected space-time topology.  To measure 
global energy, you have to establish an approximation of 
universal simultaneity.  Again,. picture space-time as a 
sphere, with the beginning of the universe at one point 
and the end of it at its antipode.  Global conservation of 
mass/energy means that along any latitude between these 
poles will have the same net mass/energy along it (think of 
Cauchy's Integral Formula).  It doesn't even matter if these 
latitudes aren't perfectly 'horizontal', so long as no point in 
the latitude is in the light-cone of any other point.  But, if
space-time isn't simply connected, but instead like a torus, 
then you can't really define latitudes between the beginning 
and end of time, because these latitudes cannot smoothly 
transform from one to the other.  Not only is global 
mass/energy not conserved in a not-simply-connected 
space-time topology, it isn't even well-defined, because 
there are points that are in each other's light-cones.
-- 
e^(i*pi)+1=0

George W. Harris  For actual email address, replace each 'u' with an 'i'.
 




 12 Posts in Topic:
The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
bernardZ <BernardZ@[EM  2008-02-17 20:27:24 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-17 03:25:11 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
bernardZ <BernardZ@[EM  2008-02-18 20:06:47 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
George W Harris <gharr  2008-02-17 09:36:27 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-17 13:19:14 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
bernardZ <BernardZ@[EM  2008-02-18 20:06:46 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-18 12:22:22 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
SolomonW <SolomonW@[EM  2008-02-19 23:51:52 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Luke Campbell <lwcamp@  2008-02-17 15:36:03 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-19 11:43:26 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-19 13:14:22 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-17 18:50:25 

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