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Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions

by Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 17, 2008 at 11:46 AM

In article <1203214846.722159@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 Michael Ash <mike@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > In article <1203133165.303653@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> > Michael Ash <mike@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > 
> >> Any thoughts on the above?
> > 
> > I don't think it has anything to do with a lottery.  It really sounds 
> > like that's just a plucked example from the position that time travel 
> > *must* change the past.
> 
> I don't know if you're describing my motivations or just trying to 
> generalize it, but I said exactly where I got the question from in my 
> introduction to the post.

I'm aware of the original thread, and I've avoided it because it seemed 
like pointless nitpicking.  Yes, I'm going for a general principle since 
that is the only scientific approach to something as "impossible" as 
time travel.

> >  From a plot device standpoint, the question is 
> > whether it changes history like a pebble in a stream, or more like a
dam.
> 
> I disagree. There is nothing that says that a time traveler's effects
must 
> be of similar magnitude on a micro and macro scale.

There's nothing that says *anything*.  That is why you have to establish 
a scientific hypothesis in the first place.  So the author has to decide 
early on how things work and stick to it or risk ruining the story.  

> Personally I believe that history is probably a "cannonball balanced 
> occasionally on its tip", in that it usually will carry on roughly the 
> same no matter what, but that there are occasional im****tant junctures 
> where a small force can produce a major outcome. But any interpretation
of 
> history is compatible with any interpretation of the effects on the 
> lottery drawing.

You can attempt to use that as a plot outline, but how well it works is 
up to the reader.  Another oversight of yours is claiming to know what 
is "im****tant" to an anthropomorphic history.  Just because the time 
traveller goes back to stop a nuclear war doesn't mean that event is 
significant.  You assume that the big stuff is stable and the chaotic 
stuff has a tipping point, but it may be a better story to display the 
exact opposite behavior.

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 19 Posts in Topic:
Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-15 21:39:25 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Arthur T. <arthur@[EMA  2008-02-15 23:38:52 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Russell Wallace <russe  2008-02-16 04:46:14 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Robert Martinu <invali  2008-02-16 05:52:20 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-02-16 06:18:23 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Mike Williams <nospam@  2008-02-16 06:06:40 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Doc O'Leary <droleary.  2008-02-16 10:51:00 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-16 20:20:47 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Doc O'Leary <droleary.  2008-02-17 11:46:00 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-17 13:34:54 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Doc O'Leary <droleary.  2008-02-18 10:52:53 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-18 13:21:44 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Doc O'Leary <droleary.  2008-02-19 11:02:41 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Eivind Kjorstad <eivin  2008-02-18 09:24:35 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-18 09:06:54 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Dave Farrance <DaveFar  2008-02-17 20:55:51 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-17 16:01:44 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Eivind Kjorstad <eivin  2008-02-18 09:19:05 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Mike Williams <nospam@  2008-02-18 13:41:38 

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