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Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy

by Erik Max Francis <max@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 17, 2008 at 01:19 PM

George W Harris wrote:

> 	Global conservation of mass/energy requires a 
> simply connected space-time topology.

Actually, it's worse than that; even in a simply-connected spacetime 
topology, the concept of the total amount of mass, energy, momentum, 
angular momentum of the Universe is problematic in general relativity. 
You can talk about one, but those familiar with general relativity know 
that they're basically cheating.

But more im****tantly, global conservation of energy is not in any 
meaningful sense true in general relativity.  Indeed, our models of the 
Universe require that it be violated (namely, with cosmological red****ft 
-- photons traversing an expanding spacetime are losing energy, but the 
energy isn't going anywhere).

In general relativity, one can only talk about _local_ (that is, in the 
vicinity of a point) conservation laws.  There are no global 
conservation laws in our best theories that deal with the large-scale 
structure and evolution of the Universe, as strange as that sounds.

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The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
bernardZ <BernardZ@[EM  2008-02-17 20:27:24 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-17 03:25:11 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
bernardZ <BernardZ@[EM  2008-02-18 20:06:47 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
George W Harris <gharr  2008-02-17 09:36:27 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-17 13:19:14 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
bernardZ <BernardZ@[EM  2008-02-18 20:06:46 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-18 12:22:22 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
SolomonW <SolomonW@[EM  2008-02-19 23:51:52 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Luke Campbell <lwcamp@  2008-02-17 15:36:03 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-19 11:43:26 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-19 13:14:22 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-17 18:50:25 

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