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Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions

by Eivind Kjorstad <eivindorama@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 18, 2008 at 09:19 AM

Michael Ash skreiv:

> So I shall do that here. Is it actually reasonable to expect the
presence 
> of a time traveler not to alter the outcome of a lottery drawing?
Lottery 
> drawings are, or at leash should be, highly chaotic systems, in the
sense 
> of being highly sensitive to initial conditions. The balls bounce all
over 
> the place, and even the tiniest alteration to a single ball's trajectory

> will quickly balloon into a totally different result in the drawing.

Lottery-drawings are deliberately designed to be highly sensitive and 
unstable, to make them unpredictable. I'm pretty sure that most 
lottery-drawings are influence not only by the presence of a 
time-travelller or not, but by much smaller stuff.

Including stuff that as far as we know is GENUINELY random. Even if two 
atoms are in precisely the same state at precisely the same time and 
recieve precisely the same stimuli, one of them may still spontaneuosly 
split, and the other not.

There's enough atoms around that it's a *given* that several of the ones 
that come into contact, directly or indirectly, with the lottery-drawing 
will infact do differently.

So, put simply: I find it likely that even -without- the time-travveler 
the results would be different.

4 hours of genuine randomness in the environment should cause enough 
diversification that the result will be a different one.


	Eivind Kjørstad
 




 19 Posts in Topic:
Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-15 21:39:25 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Arthur T. <arthur@[EMA  2008-02-15 23:38:52 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Russell Wallace <russe  2008-02-16 04:46:14 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Robert Martinu <invali  2008-02-16 05:52:20 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-02-16 06:18:23 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Mike Williams <nospam@  2008-02-16 06:06:40 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Doc O'Leary <droleary.  2008-02-16 10:51:00 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-16 20:20:47 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Doc O'Leary <droleary.  2008-02-17 11:46:00 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-17 13:34:54 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Doc O'Leary <droleary.  2008-02-18 10:52:53 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-18 13:21:44 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Doc O'Leary <droleary.  2008-02-19 11:02:41 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Eivind Kjorstad <eivin  2008-02-18 09:24:35 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-18 09:06:54 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Dave Farrance <DaveFar  2008-02-17 20:55:51 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-17 16:01:44 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Eivind Kjorstad <eivin  2008-02-18 09:19:05 
Re: Lottery drawings and sensitivity to initial conditions
Mike Williams <nospam@  2008-02-18 13:41:38 

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