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Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy

by bernardZ <BernardZ@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 18, 2008 at 08:06 PM

In article <oYednTNsGYJJOSXanZ2dnUVZ_qWtnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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max@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 says...
> George W Harris wrote:
> 
> > 	Global conservation of mass/energy requires a 
> > simply connected space-time topology.
> 
> Actually, it's worse than that; even in a simply-connected spacetime 
> topology, the concept of the total amount of mass, energy, momentum, 
> angular momentum of the Universe is problematic in general relativity. 
> You can talk about one, but those familiar with general relativity know 
> that they're basically cheating.
> 
> But more im****tantly, global conservation of energy is not in any 
> meaningful sense true in general relativity.  Indeed, our models of the 
> Universe require that it be violated (namely, with cosmological red****ft

> -- photons traversing an expanding spacetime are losing energy, but the 
> energy isn't going anywhere).
> 


General relativity was published by Albert Einstein in 1915/16. Albert 
Einstein only adopted the big bang theory long after trying several 
other alternatives first.

Clearly Einstein never saw that concept of an expanding spacetime is  
necessary for GR to be correct.

> In general relativity, one can only talk about _local_ (that is, in the 
> vicinity of a point) conservation laws.  There are no global 
> conservation laws in our best theories that deal with the large-scale 
> structure and evolution of the Universe, as strange as that sounds.
> 
> 


I don't see how that changes my argument whether local or global.
 




 12 Posts in Topic:
The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
bernardZ <BernardZ@[EM  2008-02-17 20:27:24 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-17 03:25:11 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
bernardZ <BernardZ@[EM  2008-02-18 20:06:47 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
George W Harris <gharr  2008-02-17 09:36:27 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-17 13:19:14 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
bernardZ <BernardZ@[EM  2008-02-18 20:06:46 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-18 12:22:22 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
SolomonW <SolomonW@[EM  2008-02-19 23:51:52 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Luke Campbell <lwcamp@  2008-02-17 15:36:03 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-19 11:43:26 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-19 13:14:22 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-17 18:50:25 

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