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Re: back yard gene hacking?

by "Carey Sublette" <careysub@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 18, 2008 at 09:39 AM

"Mike Williams" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:PhGIqpDmWSuHFw1e@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Wasn't it Carey Sublette who wrote:
>>
>>The difficulty is in large part due to disease virulence being an 
>>extremely
>>specialized ecological niche.
>
> Diseases tend evolve away from high virulence because killing the host 
> also means death for the disease organisms. Incapacitating the host 
> reduces the number of contacts, thereby reducing the ability of the 
> disease to propagate.

The term "virulence" refers to the ability to cause disease, and thus 
contains the notions of contagiousness and the ability to cause disease 
symptoms. A highly virulent disease does not necessarily kill its host 
with 
significant probability, in fact most don't. Influenza epidemics kill 
people, a lot in fact as humans count it, but far too few to have any 
relevance for disease transmission. Even host incapacitation is
questionable 
as being effective in reducing transmission since infectious phases often 
preceed severe disease symptoms, and in high population density
environments 
(cities - where nearly half the world lives) reduced mobility may have 
little relevance to maintaining the transmission chain.

> High virulence tends to occur in situations where the disease organism
has 
> evolved in a different host population. That could be a different
species 
> or an isolated population of the same species. The original host 
> population gradually evolves resistance to the disease, and the disease 
> evolves to increase the strength of its attack on the host. High
virulence 
> occurs when the disease jumps to a different population which has not 
> evolved such resistance.

That's a pattern that occurs, yes, but the notion is commonly over 
generalized.

HIV crossed over from a natural non-numan reservoir, true, but is 
contagiousness and lethality appears to have *increased* as it adapted to 
its human host. This is possible due to the very long latency for full
AIDS, 
but it illustrates that what is involved is the complex balance between
rate 
of disease development, speed of transmission, and role of disease
symptoms 
(if any) in the actual transmission process, i.e. the disease ecology.

In some diseases the symptoms of the disease have a direct role in 
transmission - i.e. the pustules in smallpox, the cough in diptheria and 
other respiratory diseases. In these cases there may be no long-term 
tendency to become milder since this would interfere with disease 
transmission.

There are also microbes that have been around humans a long, long time and

are even common infections in some cases, but only rarely turn into severe

diseases. For example culturing Neisseria meningitidis from symptom-free 
humans is fairly common. This bacteria only infects humans; there is no 
animal reservoir, yet occasionally it turns into a killer epidemic.

The processes are complex, and so is the balances between them. In any
case 
my point is well established - the fallacy of assuming that if microbe X 
"causes disease" then if one obtains microbe X one can use it to cause 
disease. With most microbes, very rarely will microbe X actually be an 
effective disease causing strain.

Biowarfare programs, BTW, liked to obtain their specimens from people who 
were really sick - thus proving the organisms pathogenicity. Maintaining 
that trait in lab culture is still a problem.

Finally, many diseases of interest to biowarfare programs aren't even 
transmissible between people. This is actually a favorable trait for most 
weapons uses since the idea is infect a target population through weapon 
dispersal, not have it turn into an uncontrolled epidemic. Examples are 
vector borne-diseases (yellow fever, dengue, rocky mountain spotted
fever), 
ones picked up from the enviroment (San Joaquin Valley Fever), or ones 
normally only transmitted from infected animals (glanders).




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back yard gene hacking?
bealoid <signup@[EMAIL  2008-02-04 21:30:01 
Re: back yard gene hacking?
Mike Williams <nospam@  2008-02-05 04:56:30 
Re: back yard gene hacking?
Shawn Wilson <ikonoqla  2008-02-05 12:51:05 
Re: back yard gene hacking?
ilya2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-06 05:46:11 
Re: back yard gene hacking?
Shawn Wilson <ikonoqla  2008-02-08 14:20:47 
Re: back yard gene hacking?
bealoid <signup@[EMAIL  2008-02-08 23:30:00 
Re: back yard gene hacking?
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-05 18:52:09 
Re: back yard gene hacking?
Mike Williams <nospam@  2008-02-06 14:07:19 
Re: back yard gene hacking?
John Schilling <schill  2008-02-06 17:26:32 
Re: back yard gene hacking?
"Carey Sublette"  2008-02-17 06:50:12 
Re: back yard gene hacking?
Mike Williams <nospam@  2008-02-18 06:28:54 
Re: back yard gene hacking?
"Carey Sublette"  2008-02-18 09:39:43 

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