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Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy

by SolomonW <SolomonW@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 19, 2008 at 11:51 PM

In article <ze-dndVfFKFidSTanZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, 
max@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 says...
> bernardZ wrote:
> 
> > General relativity was published by Albert Einstein in 1915/16. Albert

> > Einstein only adopted the big bang theory long after trying several 
> > other alternatives first.
> 
> This is incorrect on several levels.
> 
> Hubble first discovered the red****ft of galaxies in 1918, and the Hubble

> law relating red****ft to distance in 1929. 

This is a bit of a myth. Hubble already knew of the red****ft earlier. He 
that announce that his results confirmed it. They did but not greatly.


> Those resulted in the 
> development of the Big Bang theory, so there was no such thing at the 
> time that Einstein was developing general relativity.
???

> Indeed, at the time, the conventional wisdom was that the Universe was 
> finite in size and static and had been around forever.  However, when 
> applying general relativity to cosmology, Einstein discovered that his 
> new theory predicted dynamic cosmologies:  expanding or contracting 
> ones, but not static ones.  Instead of going with what his theory 
> predicted, Einstein added a fudge factor, the cosmological constant, so 
> that his theory could result in static universes.  Not paying attention 
> to what his theory was telling him and introducing the fudge factor was 
> what he called the greatest "blunder" of his life.  (Though now we think

> the cosmological constant is still relevant for other reasons, due to 
> dark energy.)
> 

Agree. At the beginning of GR Einstein was committed to the static 
universe. He found a dubious solution in the cosmological constant. It 
was after that really with Friedman that an expanding universe starts to 
appear in GR.


> > Clearly Einstein never saw that concept of an expanding spacetime is  
> > necessary for GR to be correct.
> 
> No one said it did.  But it is certainly true that general relativity 
> predicts dynamic cosmologies, and Einstein tried to shoe-horn it into a 
> static version, instead of being able to triumphantly declare Hubble 
> expansion as the first and foremost prediction of his new theory.
> 

I doubt he even knew of Hubble work then although he probably knew of 
the early works on the red ****ft.

Interestingly one problem that bugged Newton was that his model of the 
universe was unstable too. Under Newtonian mechanics the universe should 
collapse. To overcome this problem he also theorized a cosmological 
constant which he identified with God.
 

-- 
Note change of name. The former owner of my sig Bernard Z wants it back.

Reckons his posts and mine are getting mixed up.
 




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The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
bernardZ <BernardZ@[EM  2008-02-17 20:27:24 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-17 03:25:11 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
bernardZ <BernardZ@[EM  2008-02-18 20:06:47 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
George W Harris <gharr  2008-02-17 09:36:27 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-17 13:19:14 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
bernardZ <BernardZ@[EM  2008-02-18 20:06:46 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-18 12:22:22 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
SolomonW <SolomonW@[EM  2008-02-19 23:51:52 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Luke Campbell <lwcamp@  2008-02-17 15:36:03 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-19 11:43:26 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-19 13:14:22 
Re: The time traveler and conservation of mass and energy
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-17 18:50:25 

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