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Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP

by Crown-Horned Snorkack <chornedsnorkack@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 20, 2008 at 06:40 AM

On 19 veebr, 23:10, Michael Ash <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Harry Erwin <her...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > Aaronson's article in the March 2008 points out that a universe with
> > time machines (and/or FTL) has PSPACE = P. Note that PSPACE is a
> > superset of NP.
>
> It'll depend on what sort of time travel you get, but generally you'll
be
> able to perform infinite computation in finite time. The only reason
this
> doesn't solve the Halting Problem is because you don't have infinite
> storage. It does let you solve the version of the Halting Problem
extended
> to real, space-limited hardware. This is technically in PSPACE but in a
> practical sense is unsolveable for any non-trivial hardware. The ability
> to build oracles, even limited oracles that assume finite storage, would
> change a lot.
>
How much storage does an oracle need to be programmatically useful at
all?

Suppose that you have a laptop which contains four wormholes - two in
one corner and two in diagonally opposite corner. The wormholes are
two wormhole pairs such that each wormhole pair individually does not
contain a closed lightlike curve, but the two pairs combined do
contain that.

As the diagonal of your laptop is about 30 cm, the oracle can receive
signals send about 2 ns from future.

If you are able to write a program which receives the message, checks
it against a condition and sends it into past all in 1 ns, then you
can deliver your message 1 ns towards past every cycle. So, you can
receive a message sent tomorrow some 86 billions and 400 milliards of
cycles later.

But how would you write programs where you have oracle function at
your disposal?




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Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
herwin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-19 16:54:58 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
James Burns <burns.87@  2008-02-19 12:23:14 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
herwin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-19 18:45:50 
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Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-19 15:10:47 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-20 06:40:36 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-20 10:19:31 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
James Burns <burns.87@  2008-02-20 12:50:05 
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cgoodin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-20 19:26:19 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-20 14:55:24 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
James Burns <burns.87@  2008-02-20 18:41:31 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-20 20:39:38 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
James Burns <burns.87@  2008-02-21 20:17:20 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-21 22:48:27 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
James Burns <burns.87@  2008-02-22 13:44:40 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
George W Harris <gharr  2008-02-22 17:45:38 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
James Burns <burns.87@  2008-02-22 18:11:09 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
George W Harris <gharr  2008-02-22 19:03:16 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-20 18:15:04 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
Jens Egon Nyborg <jens  2008-02-20 21:01:26 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-02-20 20:27:40 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-20 15:00:30 
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Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-20 11:12:12 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-20 15:12:53 
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Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-02-20 13:53:55 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-02-20 20:43:13 
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justinf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-21 16:09:56 
Re: Time Machines, FTL, and P=NP
Logan Kearsley <chrono  2008-02-22 15:02:55 
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"dwight.thieme@[EMAI  2008-02-22 20:42:43 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-02-23 01:19:27 

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