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Re: Negative Energy

by Erik Max Francis <max@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 25, 2008 at 05:02 PM

WarLord wrote:

> After few hours of research i've decided to bring my question to the
> group. IIRC, when a photon hits an electron of the electrosphere of an
> atom, it gains energy and jumps to a more energetic sublevel (the
> 'excited' state). Due to instabilities, it releases back a photon and
> then return to its original level (please let my layman terms to
> pass). Ok, now the question: Lets assume for a sec that 'negative
> energy' photons (anti-photons wouldn't be correct, since this have no
> relation with anti-matter. ... "-photons" perhaps?) could exist and be
> splited from it's positive energy counterparts (see ref. [1]). What
> would happen to an electron in an atom hit by such a thing? I already
> know about the dreadful consequences for the 2nd law, although
> actually I do not understand then (why the overall energy isn't
> conserved in the 'exotic laser' system??). The main idea is to
> speculate the termodynamic consequences of an imaginary kind of
> Freezing Dark Death Beam on
> normal matter.

Note, though, that heat in this sense is not electrons being pushed into 
excited states in atoms.  Instead, it is the random translational, 
rotational, and vibrational energies of individual atoms and molecules. 
  To cool them down, you need only slow them.

The stumbling block here, then, isn't coming up with some form of 
"negaphotons," but rather handwaving some damping field that slows down 
molecules and keeps them that way.  All that takes is increasing energy 
by an appropriate amount elsewhere to satisfy the first and second laws 
of thermodynamics (enough energy to make up for the kinetic energy 
sapped from the molecules, plus some extra to make sure that entropy 
increases).

>> Ok, now the question: Lets assume for a sec that 'negative energy'
>> photons (anti-photons wouldn't be correct, since this have no relation
>> with anti-matter. ... "-photons" perhaps?) could exist
> 
> There are two possibilities here.
> 
> Negative photons travel backwards in time or they travel forwards in
> time and
> carry negative momentum. (Holy tractor beams Batman!)
> 
> The backwards in time bit is strongly argued against by the non-
> warning from
> supernovas. In a supernova anything that possibly can happen is going
> to
> happen and no "backwards echos" of the events happen so it is not
> possible to
> travel backwards in time.
> 
> Negative momentum particles would be VERY noticeable in the particle
> accelerator experiments and have not been noticed to date.
	...

Note that I, too, saw this exchange on sfconsim-l.  To be honest, I 
couldn't tell what this author was referring to.  He is not describing 
known physics, or even reasonably speculated physics, of any sort that 
I'm familiar with.  It sounded merely like technobabble to me.

-- 
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 && http://www.alcyone.com/max/
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    -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
 




 12 Posts in Topic:
Negative Energy
WarLord <warlordbcm1@[  2008-02-21 17:09:01 
Re: Negative Energy
Luke Campbell <lwcamp@  2008-02-22 14:09:45 
Re: Negative Energy
WarLord <warlordbcm1@[  2008-02-24 10:01:21 
Re: Negative Energy
Luke Campbell <lwcamp@  2008-02-24 11:05:41 
Re: Negative Energy
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-25 17:02:38 
Re: Negative Energy
Larry Caldwell <firstn  2008-02-28 19:14:13 
Re: Negative Energy
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-28 20:37:13 
Re: Negative Energy
Larry Caldwell <firstn  2008-02-29 06:52:18 
Re: Negative Energy
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-02-29 12:33:26 
Re: Negative Energy
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-02-29 23:47:05 
Re: Negative Energy
Eivind Kjorstad <eivin  2008-03-03 08:40:56 
Re: Negative Energy
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-03 08:15:39 

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