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Re: Star-occulting sensors

by John Schilling <schillin@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 1, 2008 at 08:58 AM

On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 02:01:31 +0000, Mike Williams
<nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>Wasn't it Russell Wallace who wrote:
>>It was suggested recently that stealth in space might be countered by 
>>sensors that look for a stealthed vehicle randomly occulting a star, 
>>causing the star to wink out for a moment. This is an interesting 
>>concept, so I ran some very rough calculations to try and figure out if 
>>it makes sense. All figures order of magnitude only.

>>Assume the targets being looked for are 10 m.

>>Suppose diffraction limits the range to 1 million km.
>>Then the fraction of the sky occulted is (1e1 / 1e9)^2 = 1e-16.

>>Suppose there are 1 billion stars visible enough to be used for the 
>>purpose. (i.e. the target isn't careless or unlucky enough to wander in 
>>front of another galaxy, so we're using only the visible stars in our 
>>own galaxy.) Then the probability of occultation is 1e-16 * 1e9 = 1e-7.

>>But the target is moving. So it has to travel 1e7 times its own length 
>>to have a reasonable chance of occultation.
>>1e7 * 10 m = 100,000 km, which is less than the originally assumed 
>>range, so the concept looks workable, unless I'm making a mistake 
>>somewhere?

>>If the target is bigger, or you use shorter wavelength light (both of 
>>which seem plausible) then the range will be greater.

>I imagine that an occultation caused by a 10m target at a range of 1 
>million km might look rather similar to one caused by a 1 km asteroid at 
>a range of 100 million km.

Actually not.  Because while we can suppose "diffraction limits the range
to 1 million km", it isn't actually so.  Diffraction limits the range, in
the 10-meter target case and assuming a point source of visible light at
infinite distance, to 200,000 km.  So the ten-meter target will look just
like an ordinary star with nothing blocking our LOS.  The light waves,
and light is a wave on this scale, will pass around it and reform on the
far side.

However, the diffraction-limited occultation range of the 1 km asteroid,
will be 2,000,000,000 km, so it will actually obscure the light of the
occulted star.  Well, depending on how large and how distant the star,
it might not *completely* block it, but there should be a detectable 
loss in signal during the transit in most cases.


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 8 Posts in Topic:
Star-occulting sensors
Russell Wallace <russe  2008-02-29 23:12:16 
Re: Star-occulting sensors
Arthur T. <arthur@[EMA  2008-02-29 18:32:49 
Re: Star-occulting sensors
Logan Kearsley <chrono  2008-02-29 15:43:48 
Re: Star-occulting sensors
Mike Williams <nospam@  2008-03-01 02:01:31 
Re: Star-occulting sensors
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-03-01 00:43:00 
Re: Star-occulting sensors
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-01 11:52:38 
Re: Star-occulting sensors
John Schilling <schill  2008-03-01 08:58:07 
Re: Star-occulting sensors
WaltBJ <waltbj01@[EMAI  2008-03-04 20:25:11 

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