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Re: Gravitomagnetic monopole?

by Erik Max Francis <max@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 3, 2008 at 02:57 PM

Crown-Horned Snorkack wrote:

> Newton equations for gravity look like Coulomb equations for
> electrostatic forces. Both are forces whose strength decreases with
> inverse square distance, because the divergence of the field is
> pro****tional to the density of mass and charge respectively.
> 
> The one difference is that like masses attract while like charges
> repel.
> 
> It turns out that there is also a gravitomagnetic field - a field with
> curl rather than divergence, which will exert a Lorenz force on moving
> masses perpendicular to the direction of movement.
> 
> Gravitomagnetic field is generated by moving masses as well as by the
> displacement current of changing gravitoelectric fields.
> 
> And while stationary gravitomagnetic field force only affects moving
> masses, changing gravitomagnetic field will induce curl of
> gravitoelectric field!
> 
> This ability of changing gravitomagnetic and gravitoelectric fields to
> induce curls to one another is what enables gravity to travel as
> gravitational waves.
> 
> However, the existence of gravitomagnetic fields raises the question
> of how a gravitomagnetic monopole ought to behave...

Oh, I see what you're asking.

Well, there's an obvious problem here.  In Newtonian mechanics, there 
are no gravitomagnetic effects, and so the notion of a "gravitomagnetic 
monopole" is a non-starter; it just doesn't make any sense.

There are gravitomagnetic effects in general relativity, but there 
aren't even really "gravitoelectric monopoles" there.  The generator of 
spacetime curvature, and thus gravity, isn't just just mass, but 
stress-energy, which is a tensor of which mass is but one component, the 
others being energy, stress, pressure, and so on.  Indeed, many 
applications of general relativity don't even deal with individual 
massive particles ("gravitoelectric charges"), but rather continuous
fluids.

One could, I suppose, view gravitomagnetic effects as being contributed 
by cross terms in the stress-energy tensor and not others.  But it's 
hard to see how they could really correspond to specific particles. 
Even if they could, the effects would essentially be just what you 
describe; such things would tend to create gravitational fields that 
circulate, rather than radiate (to put it crudely).  They'd probably 
create something like frame dragging effects, which are already 
well-known in relativity -- but without the attractiveness.

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 14 Posts in Topic:
Gravitomagnetic monopole?
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-03-02 11:08:04 
Re: Gravitomagnetic monopole?
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-03-02 17:49:38 
Re: Gravitomagnetic monopole?
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-03-03 07:16:35 
Re: Gravitomagnetic monopole?
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-03-03 14:57:59 
Re: Gravitomagnetic monopole?
throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-03 23:07:18 
Re: Gravitomagnetic monopole?
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-03-03 15:59:59 
Re: Gravitomagnetic monopole?
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-04 02:43:46 
Re: Gravitomagnetic monopole?
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-03-03 19:54:05 
Re: Gravitomagnetic monopole?
Luke Campbell <lwcamp@  2008-03-03 21:04:46 
Re: Gravitomagnetic monopole?
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-04 07:59:16 
Re: Gravitomagnetic monopole?
Luke Campbell <lwcamp@  2008-03-03 21:08:30 
Re: Gravitomagnetic monopole?
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-03-03 22:03:19 
Re: Gravitomagnetic monopole?
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-03-04 14:27:49 
Re: Gravitomagnetic monopole?
Lars Kecke <larskecke@  2008-03-07 16:05:22 

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