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Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?

by Crown-Horned Snorkack <chornedsnorkack@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 10, 2008 at 01:39 PM

On 10 m=E4rts, 01:06, Tim Little <t...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> On 2008-03-09, Crown-Horned Snorkack <chornedsnork...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > When a neutron star fills and spills over its Roche lobe, some of the
> > escaping matter falls towards the other neutron star or black hole,
> > but some escapes outwards. But the part which escapes on the outer
> > side is not at infinity! It is bound, on a circular orbit, pretty deep
> > in the gravity well of the (old or new) black hole.
>
> Yes, some will.  As I recall we were originally talking about matter
> that did actually escape, though.  Certainly the accretion disk will
> have some strange nuclear species in it.
>
> > IIRC, tritium releases 18 keV per decay - half of which goes away with
> > neutrino.
>
> The neutrino doesn't go away - the thought experiment was an isolated
> system.  If there's unobtainium strong enough to contain degenerate
> neutron matter I'm sure it would have to contain neutrinos too.
>
Surely not.

There is a very real obtainium strong enough to contain degenerate
neutron matter indefinitely.

The gravity field of an ordinary neutron star.

It does contain neutrinos - briefly. The neutrinos from a supernova
diffuse and leak away over the time period of a few tens of seconds.

If a neutron star is significantly expanded then it becomes far more
transparent for neutrinos. So the neutrinos will escape in a few
seconds or less.

A really hot rarefied neutron star matter is liable to emit through
Urca process. Of course, as the disc expands, it becomes transparent
to gamma and r=F6ntgen radiation as well...

> I did get the energy of tritium decay wrong, though.  The final
> conclusion still stands - the energy of tritium decay is amply enough
> to trigger a state in which nuclear interactions are common and in
> which tritium will not make up much of the equilibrium mix.
>
> > It takes a lot of energy to induce fission of lead 208. Even thorium
> > 232 is pretty resistant to induced fission!
>
> It has to be more than merely "pretty resistant" in a dense soup of
> nuclei and other particles with energies in the MeV range.  The
> question is not how long they will last (which will be very short
> indeed for any particular nucleus), but how commonly they will form.
>
But my point is, how long will the nuclear energy be in MeV range,
seeing that energy can be expended through expansion and through Urca
process?

> Which nuclei will fuse to form lead-208, and how frequently compared
> with other nuclei?
>
Lead 208 and bismuth 209 are at the terminus of s-process. So,
neutrons.




 32 Posts in Topic:
Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Matt Browne SFW <matt.  2008-03-01 03:15:03 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-01 12:14:03 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-01 17:43:54 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-01 23:27:45 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
"Mike Combs" &l  2008-03-03 12:49:59 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-03-02 07:27:58 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-02 23:50:37 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Robert Martinu <invali  2008-03-03 16:47:29 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-03-03 00:17:26 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Russell Wallace <russe  2008-03-04 18:45:27 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-03-03 12:50:52 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-04 03:18:14 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-03-05 10:44:17 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-06 00:03:01 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-03-06 10:39:22 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-07 00:54:53 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-03-07 09:30:09 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-08 01:45:34 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-03-08 00:25:57 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-08 11:00:11 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-03-08 13:22:43 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-08 23:33:38 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-03-09 01:44:16 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-09 23:06:18 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Matt Browne SFW <matt.  2008-03-09 09:25:06 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-09 23:10:16 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-03-09 18:32:07 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-03-10 13:39:57 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-03-10 16:08:18 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Russell Wallace <russe  2008-03-11 18:21:17 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-03-11 17:19:14 
Re: Two neutron stars on a collision course?
Matt Browne SFW <matt.  2008-03-16 04:29:43 

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