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Re: opposite of relativistic time contraction

by Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 17, 2008 at 01:34 AM

On 2008-03-16, Ben Crowell <crowell07@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Mmm...I would consider diffraction to be a fundamental physical
> limitation, not a minor engineering problem. If the laser is
> at rest with respect to the galaxy, then it has to operate over
> distances of light-years.

You want to accelerate a 10^17 kg black hole at 100g over distances of
at least a couple of light-years?  Ouch.  The project then needs at
least 10^37 J of energy available.


> In any case, there's another issue that seems more fundamental,
> which is that 10^29 W converts via E=mc2 to 10^12 kg/s, which is
> enough to double the mass of our black hole in hours.

Oh, if you need more than that, then don't feed the beam into the
hole: just let the hole's gravity bend it, say 150 degrees or so.  As
a bonus, you get nearly double the momentum transfer.  Of course the
red****ft will be a problem in any event since the gamma factor will go
past 200.

On the plus side, the diffraction problem isn't as bad as you think:
an on-site collimator can direct the laser to the correct location
near the hole.


> Good point. Well, the exhaust velocity can be a small fraction of c
> -- you want it to be a small fraction of c in order to get a decent
> thrust-to-power ratio.

Absolutely not: the mass/payload ratio is exponential in
delta-V/exhaust and for 100g acceleration over 2 light years the
delta-V is at least 6c.  If converting mass directly into energy at
arbitrary rates is a problem, then the whole project is doomed.


> Maybe the magnet is on the end of a 10 km superconducting cable
> trailing behind the thrust module.

Heh, the cable is subjected to a tension of 10^20 N.  I think ordinary
matter is out of the question.


- Tim
 




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opposite of relativistic time contraction
Ben Crowell <crowell07  2008-03-14 14:54:25 
Re: opposite of relativistic time contraction
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-15 00:25:40 
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Ben Crowell <crowell07  2008-03-14 20:48:10 
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Ben Crowell <crowell07  2008-03-15 12:07:17 
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Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-16 00:57:10 
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Ben Crowell <crowell07  2008-03-15 18:56:43 
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Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-16 02:40:14 
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Ben Crowell <crowell07  2008-03-16 09:35:05 
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Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-17 01:34:10 
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Ben Crowell <crowell07  2008-03-17 09:30:48 
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Ben Crowell <crowell07  2008-03-17 10:30:04 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-03-17 17:58:15 
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Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-18 00:18:18 
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IsaacKuo <mechdan@[EMA  2008-03-17 10:00:23 
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IsaacKuo <mechdan@[EMA  2008-03-17 12:25:42 
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IsaacKuo <mechdan@[EMA  2008-03-17 13:49:53 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-15 04:26:21 
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Ben Crowell <crowell07  2008-03-15 11:09:06 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-15 09:42:17 
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Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-15 13:27:54 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-16 09:52:22 
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Ben Crowell <crowell07  2008-03-15 11:15:29 
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Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-03-16 14:25:59 
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Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-17 01:37:46 
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Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-03-16 20:55:10 
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Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-17 08:20:44 
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Greg Egan <gregegan@[E  2008-03-16 21:37:25 
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Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-03-17 08:31:11 
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Ben Crowell <crowell07  2008-03-17 10:10:48 
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Greg Egan <gregegan@[E  2008-03-17 18:43:59 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-16 01:39:13 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-16 02:05:31 
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David Mitchell <david@  2008-03-16 18:26:19 
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IsaacKuo <mechdan@[EMA  2008-03-17 08:38:08 
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Ben Crowell <crowell07  2008-03-17 12:09:20 
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Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-03-20 23:44:07 
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IsaacKuo <mechdan@[EMA  2008-03-17 12:35:02 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-18 00:16:53 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-17 18:35:43 
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Ben Crowell <crowell07  2008-03-17 12:50:17 
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Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-03-18 00:09:11 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-17 18:50:19 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-17 19:35:46 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-17 19:40:13 
Re: opposite of relativistic time contraction
Howard Brazee <howard@  2008-03-17 17:00:37 

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