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Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American

by Brian Davis <brdavis@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 31, 2008 at 05:55 AM

On Mar 30, 9:51=A0pm, Aqua <a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> My vague memories of undergraduate biochemistry was that the first
> photosynthetic pigments did indeed primarily absorb yellow and green
> wavelengths - perhaps the same as those still used by purple
> photosynthetic bacteria.

I *think* (somebody stomp on me if I'm wrong on this one) that the
only primary photosynthetic pigment is chlorophyll (and variations on
that ****phyrin ring), with the exception of a rhodopsin-based system
in some halobacteria (& this last, at least so far, lacks a carbon-
fixing system, so properly it's not photosynthesis, but photosynthesis
is really two (or more) separate processes anyway).

> Green chlorophyll was then a secondary pigment, to mop up the red and
> blue wavelengths the primary pigment wasn't getting - perhaps a niche
> organism.

So... evolution eliminated the pigments that could capture most of the
energy, while preserving the pigment that doesn't? That seems a
strange adaptation on the surface.

> All photosynthesis needs a reducing agent. =A0Purple photosynthetic
> bacteria use hydrogen sulphide or hydrogen or various other chemicals.

Actually, purple non-sulfur bacteria don't use an external reducing
agent in the capture of light energy. The only use a photosystem to
produce ATP, thus there's no need for a "source" for protons - you
just keep recycling them. It's only the carbon-fixing ****tions of
photosynthesis that require a source for a reducing agent... and if
you have enough ATP, that could be anything you like.

>=A0But the water -> oxygen reaction requires more energy than can
> be provided by one (light wavelength) photon.

Actually, as others have discussed far better than I, no. It's just
the PSI - PSII photosystem isn't very efficient at capturing a lot of
energy, so it ends up being a grafted together photosystem that seems
to have come from a number of different places.

>=A0It seems the water -> oxygen stunt was only pulled once.

Or from a different sort of view, it seems there are a few enzymes
that are difficult for evolution to hit upon more than once - cracking
water seems to be one of those, so every water-based photosystem ends
up with the same water-splitting enzyme. Some thing with fixing
nitrogen out of N2, and to some extent acquiring CO2 using something
as inefficient as RuBisCO.

--
Brian Davis
 




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Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
"Dan Goodman" &  2008-03-31 00:24:51 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
Brian Davis <brdavis@[  2008-03-30 18:20:29 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
djheydt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-03-31 01:31:21 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
Graham Woodland <gray@  2008-03-31 07:52:33 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
Aqua <aqua@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-31 11:51:29 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
James A. Donald <james  2008-03-31 19:31:21 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
"Dan Goodman" &  2008-03-31 02:59:03 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
James A. Donald <james  2008-03-31 19:27:35 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
Brian Davis <brdavis@[  2008-03-31 05:55:31 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
James A. Donald <james  2008-04-01 11:46:05 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
Brian Davis <brdavis@[  2008-03-31 05:59:47 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
"Dan Goodman" &  2008-03-31 18:27:28 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
Brian Davis <brdavis@[  2008-03-31 06:11:14 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
James A. Donald <james  2008-04-01 11:41:24 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
Eivind Kjorstad <eivin  2008-04-01 13:58:14 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-04-01 19:31:36 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
Eivind Kjorstad <eivin  2008-04-02 08:05:51 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-17 15:21:02 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
David Friedman <ddfr@[  2008-04-17 09:23:46 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
Graham Woodland <gray@  2008-04-17 18:47:18 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
"Mike Combs" &l  2008-04-17 12:21:03 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
Brian Davis <brdavis@[  2008-04-01 05:14:19 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
James A. Donald <james  2008-04-02 14:48:43 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
DougL <lampert.doug@[E  2008-04-17 13:06:45 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
Paul Colquhoun <postma  2008-04-17 23:59:19 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
James A. Donald <james  2008-04-18 18:38:47 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
Brian Davis <brdavis@[  2008-04-17 19:48:29 
Re: Colors of alien plants -- Scientific American
"Frank Scrooby"  2008-04-18 08:46:57 

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