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Re: Heating a City

by phoenix@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damien Sullivan) Apr 8, 2008 at 10:12 PM

Michael Ash <mike@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>I mentioned a roof because it should scale horizontally to a basically 
>infinite degree, and as a roof it doesn't have to be particularly tall. 
>You'll need sup****ts at frequent intervals, of course, but that's
entirely 
>doable. You may be able to piggyback on buildings and utility poles to 
>some extent if you want to make it cheaper, but with enough money,
roofing 
>a city with glass ought to be entirely feasible with current technology.

"Enough money", but what *would* the cost be?  As an advocate of roofed
cities, I need to learn this.

Going with the heater approach: I see estimates of $10-20/foot2 for
heated driveways -- *not* including the cost of tearing up the ground
and putting it back.  Also, I hate these units.

One square kilometer, 1e6 m2.  5000-25,000 people in urban environments.
Energy budget of 50 to 250 megawatts, though most of that is thermal.
Annual income of $150 to $750 million.  (I picked $30,000/capita.)
Maybe 1-5% available for wacky projects, over 30 years, which washes
out.

Heated driveway installation: call it $200/m2, $200 million.  OTOH those
are made to sup****t high energy rates; rather than building everywhere
and running at low power, we might build many fewer, and run those at
high power.  Cost of $20-40 million, giving 50-100 Watts/m2.

Lightbulbs (or simple resistors) everywhere: Maybe $10/lamp, 1 lamp/m2,
$10 million?

Space heater: I see a $60 one claiming 1500 Watts.  One of those per 15
m2, $4/m2, $4 million.

Operation: 100 W/m2, 100 megawatts.  Kind of high, especially if
electric.  Overkill?  8.8e8 kilowatt-hours, $88 million/year if
electric.  I don't how much good 10 W/m2 would do.

Roofing: I see greenhouse cost estimates of $7.50/foot2, which I'll
consider a lower bound -- much lower, given the height needed for an
urban roof, though they may include equipment we don't need.  1/8 inch
plexiglass, Lexan, or glass seem to be about $4/foot2 -- don't know if 1/8
inch is thick enough!  We need weather resistance.  Anyway, we're
probably talking at least $100 million construction, but hopefully much
lower operation cost -- we're not aiming for some precise temperature,
just "warmer".  Of course there's maintenance, and dealing with summer.

Conclusion: something's doable, with high densities or cheap energy.

-xx- Damien X-)
 




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Heating a City
Charles Talleyrand <ki  2008-04-06 20:23:19 
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Bill Snyder <bsnyder@[  2008-04-06 22:26:10 
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"David M. Palmer&quo  2008-04-06 23:02:13 
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Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-04-07 08:45:17 
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Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-04-07 09:33:09 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-07 20:20:54 
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Dr J R Stockton <jrs@[  2008-04-07 21:32:06 
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"David M. Palmer&quo  2008-04-08 23:30:04 
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Charles Talleyrand <ki  2008-04-07 21:59:53 
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Charles Talleyrand <ki  2008-04-07 22:02:01 
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Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-04-08 00:24:56 
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jdnicoll@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-08 15:36:26 
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"Ash Wyllie" &l  2008-04-08 17:21:40 
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Wim Lewis <wiml@[EMAIL  2008-04-17 12:46:05 
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Charles Talleyrand <ki  2008-04-07 22:11:28 
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Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-04-08 10:36:31 
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phoenix@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-08 22:12:12 
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phoenix@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-08 22:51:41 
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throopw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-08 05:51:35 
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Charles Talleyrand <ki  2008-04-08 12:49:17 
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phoenix@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-08 21:24:02 
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Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-04-09 00:32:16 
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Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-04-09 09:11:27 
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Luke Campbell <lwcamp@  2008-04-09 09:27:00 
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Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-04-09 12:04:48 
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Jens Egon Nyborg <jens  2008-04-09 19:44:37 
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phoenix@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-09 19:13:36 
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Ross Presser <rpresser  2008-04-10 07:24:23 
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Wim Lewis <wiml@[EMAIL  2008-04-17 12:49:55 
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Crown-Horned Snorkack <  2008-04-10 09:39:42 
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phoenix@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-10 17:26:17 

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