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Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World

by Batroc Z. Leaper <hotfrog@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 20, 2008 at 12:40 AM

In article <XK-dnYq-KuCCkJrVnZ2dnUVZ_rLinZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, 
max@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Erik Max Francis) says...
> Batroc Z. Leaper wrote:
> 
> > With no sup****ting data.  The hypothesis of charged black holes is
just 
> > hand waving, with no observational basis.
> 
> And your claims differ from this how, exactly ... ?

It's not a claim, just an observation that there is no known mechanism 
for EM forces to transmit across an event horizon.  EM forces are 
mediated by photons, and photons don't cross the barrier.  If you want 
to claim that black holes can exhibit charged behavior, you have to have 
at least a vague idea of how that could happen, or observational 
evidence that it does happen.  In the absence of either, it is just hot 
air.  
 
> > If electrical charge does vanish when it crosses the event horizon, it

> > would lead to an excess of electrons in the universe, and an
unbalanced 
> > charge.  That should lead to observable effects, like an acceleration
in 
> > the expansion of the universe due to the repulsive effect of the
charge 
> > cloud.  
> 
> Right, and it would violate several conservation laws.  Which is good 
> reason for thinking _it doesn't happen_.

That is *a* reason.  You need to establish that it is a good reason.  
Everyone knows that conservation laws are not absolute.  The universe 
could not exist if they were.  You will also note that I never said that 
charge was destroyed, only that it might not be able to interact with 
the space outside the event horizon.  What happens to a charge as it 
crosses the event horizon is a separate question.  It might very easily 
continue to affect the internal structure of the black hole, even if it 
is not externally measurable.

The separate comment about charge not being able to penetrate the event 
horizon was based on the observation that event horizons are apparently 
magnetic superconductors.  I was thinking that electrical charges might 
not be able to penetrate a magnetic superconductor, the same way 
magnetic fields cannot penetrate an electrical superconductor.  That is 
pure speculation, but if a proton enters the black hole while its charge 
does not, that would create a disembodied electrical charge, and a whole 
new field of physics.  It seems extremely unlikely, but at least it 
would present a mechanism for a black hole to exhibit charged behavior.  
 
> If something insane happens, insane things result.  That's a good reason

> to include that such insane things probably don't happen.

Insane things started happening in physics in 1887, and have been 
getting stranger ever since.
 




 25 Posts in Topic:
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Luke Campbell <lwcamp@  2008-04-14 10:06:30 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-04-14 22:04:38 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Batroc Z. Leaper <hotf  2008-04-14 21:21:11 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-04-15 02:47:31 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Batroc Z. Leaper <hotf  2008-04-15 21:53:16 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-04-16 05:42:34 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Batroc Z. Leaper <hotf  2008-04-16 07:16:49 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-04-16 15:48:05 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Batroc Z. Leaper <hotf  2008-04-16 19:55:24 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-04-17 01:41:00 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Batroc Z. Leaper <hotf  2008-04-20 00:40:16 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-04-20 01:04:18 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Larry Caldwell <firstn  2008-04-20 19:12:29 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Erik Max Francis <max@  2008-04-20 20:02:28 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-04-15 04:53:22 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-04-15 03:00:32 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Eivind Kjorstad <eivin  2008-04-15 10:56:18 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-04-15 08:13:46 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Eivind Kjorstad <eivin  2008-04-16 08:17:49 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Tim Little <tim@[EMAIL  2008-04-16 01:50:03 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
af250@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-16 07:05:57 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-04-16 08:19:18 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2008-04-15 10:07:48 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
Bryan Derksen <bryan.d  2008-04-15 17:39:22 
Re: CERN Atom Smasher May End the World
af250@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-15 20:58:09 

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