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>,
Rob Jensen <ShutUpRob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:11:02 +0000 (UTC), mchary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Michael
>Alan Chary) wrote:
>
>>>>Women who are so ridiculously attractive, that their physical beauty
>>>>becomes a regular plot point for episodes:
>>>>
>>>>Lynda Carter, Cathy lee Crosby, Mary Tyler Moore, Cheryl Ladd, Suzanne
>>>>Sommers (which is how they get away with having Joyce Dewitt in the
second
>>>>category), Loni Anderson (which is how Jan Smithers, etc) Stephanie
>>>>Powers, Julie Newmar, Diana Riggs, etc....
>>>
>>>In the case of Lynda Carter, that's something of a cop out as Wonder
>>>Woman is *supposed* to be ridiculously beautiful.
>>
>>Yes, which is why she defines the category. Also, all the women on
>>Charlie's Angels (except maybe Kate Jackson). I put an obvious choice
>>there so people could immediately see what I meant.
>>
>>> Cathy Lee Crosby
>>>doesn't belong anywhere on these lists, IMO, which naturally explains
>>>why she was instantly replaced by Lynda Carter after the horrible
>>>reviews she got for the first WW movie.
>>>
>>
>>Well, no, she went on to a movie career. The first movie was based on
the
>>new look Denny O'Neil Wonder Woman. She's was on "That's Incredible" and
>>people were *always* talking about how hot she was and stripping her
down
>>to nearly ****d.
>
>Ugh. I never liked her. I went crazy for Priscilla Presley on Those
>Amazing Animals, though.
Well, again, your or my perosnal opinions do not matter here. The issue is
how the people on the show treat her.
>
>>>And how in the hell can you leave Catherine Bach out of this category?
>>>;)
>>>
>
>I"m just sayin' that even so, not mentioning Catherine Bach is a
>terrible omission. Exactly the same thing as leaving Lynda Carter
>out. You've just gotta mention both of them.
>
It's not an omission. You brought her up, but I am not obliged to spend
four hours typing in names just because somebody thinks Susan St. James or
Barbara Eden belong on a list.
>>>Modern actors:
>>>Lauren Graham. Connie Britton. Rachel Bilson. Autumn Reeser. Jewel
>>>Staite (on Firefly, at the dance in "Our Mrs. Reynolds.") Rose
>>>McGowan. Katherine Heigl. Jennifer Morrison. Olivia Wilde (House
>>>specifically cited Cameron's looks in the pilot as why he picked her,
>>>intrigued that someone with her looks would go into a field in which
>>>she can't get by on her looks alone when so many with her looks would
>>>just live off 'em. More or less the same with 13. And the revelation
>>>tonight that 13 is bi***ual just punctuates it about this newer
>>>character.)
>>>
>>
>>Jewel Staite?
>
>Kaylee on Firefly/Serenity, Dr. Keller on Stargate Atlantis.
I know who she is, but I don't recall anyone on Firefly or Stargate or
even Space Cases talking about how beautiful she was, let alone an
episode having it as a plot point. Hell, even the one epsidoe of Firefly
where she went to the ball with Mal resulted in her talking about
space****p repair with the crowd.
>
>>>>Obviously most actresses fall into the first two categories but even
more
>>>>are just ludicrously miscast. Erin Gray was a supermodel. Yet, they
put
>>>>her on Buck Rogers and Silver Spoons, and nobody noticed. Yancy Butler
and
>>>>Claudia Black are incredibly beautiful, and if they want to play
soldiers
>>>>and so on, that's fine by me, but it makes Daniel Jackson look like a
>>>>blind monk.
>>>
>>>Well, I wouldn't say that Claudia Black is Beautiful (pun not
>>>intended, but entirely unavoidable anyway), but she's incredibly
>>>intelligent and charismatic and her voice is like buttah. Still I
>>
>>Well, you're blind.
>
>Nope. And I've even seen Claudia Black in person. She's charismatic
>and has a great sense of humor (AAAAND a great body), but she has the
>face of a female wrestler, IMO.
>
But, it doesn't matter what we think of them. It matters how the show
treats them.
>>>One more thing: I haven't the slightest idea where Pauley Perrette
>>>would go on this scale, so I have the feeling that she gets her own
>>>category. ;)
>>
>>Well, it's easy to tell: on the show, do people treat her like everyone
>>else, comment occasionally on her beauty, or do they make a big enough
>>deal out of it that plots and storylines turn on the fact that she's
>>beautiful?
>>
>>(One episode of Night Court turned on an arm wrestling match that was
won
>>when Christine exposed her breasts, distracting the loser. Who said it
was
>>worth it, and it was the most glorious thing he'd ever seen, and he
would
>>not tell anyone, and if he did, no one would believe him anyway. *THOSE*
>>are nice breasts, and that is a plot turning on how attractive a
character
>>is.)
>
>I do not believe that this is the same thing as saying that a
>character is recognized as being beautiful/gorgeous/etc. It just
>states that she has what Dan Fielding would probably refer to as
>"bodacious ta-ta's."
That's just one example. There are many others. On Hearts of Fire, John
Ritter's ex-wife made a big deal out of her. On the Fall Guy, even though
they had Heather Thomas, they still did a couple shows about how pretty
Markie Post was. Lifetime tv used Markie Post for movies that required
lingerie. On Night Court she was always being hit on by whatever male was
on the show that week, and Judge Stone made many comments that he got away
with only because this was before the Clarence Thomas hearings.
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