On Feb 8, 12:11=A0am, William George Ferguson <wmgfr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:48:48 -0800 (PST), jojo <jojl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >On Feb 7, 9:02=A0pm, William George Ferguson <wmgfr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >wrote:
> >> On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:34:48 -0500, "KalElFan"
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> >> wrote:
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> >> >[crossposts from rec.arts.tv altered]
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> >> >"MikeM" <MichaelML...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>news:e8574b71-6c03-4da3-bd18-f0e4fed1a9d3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> ... If Sarah Conner loses, her son is killed by a
> >> >> Terminator and the series -- not to mention the world she and her
> >> >> buddies inhabit -- is gone. But if she succeeds, and somehow
manages=
> >> >> to stop the construction of the intelligent supercomputer known as
> >> >> Skynet, then...
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> >> >> ... the protector won't be assembled
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> >> >Not necessarily. =A0The two writing constraints that the show now
has,=
> >> >in terms of the time travel element, can be described as:
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> >> > =A0(i) the human protector from the first movie (John Connor's
father=
),
> >> > =A0must go back to circa 1982 and conceive John. =A0The Terminator
> >> > =A0must also go back to be the nemesis back then; and
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> >> > =A0(ii) the subsequent terminator and machine protector from T2,
> >> > =A0and the current terminators and protector (Cameron) depicted in
> >> > =A0this series, must likewise go back (unless the series somehow
> >> > =A0changes its own history by doubling back on itself; let's assume
> >> > =A0they don't do that).
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> >> Actually, these aren't required. =A0The show seems to take the
position=
that
> >> changing the future doesn't retroactively change the past, and once a
> >> future person/object travels to the past, it is part of that past.
=A0T=
hus,
> >> if changes made after Reese arrives in the past cause Reese to not
trav=
el
> >> to the past in the changed future, the Reese that did travel to the
pas=
t
> >> was still there in the past. =A0Similarly, if Cameron's intervention
le=
ads to
> >> her not being built in the future, the Cameron in the past still
exists=
..
> >> The change doesn't retroactively make her go poof.
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> >Which means that we are speaking here about parallel universes,
> >meaning going to the past changes nothing to your world but creates a
> >new universe, meaning there is no interest in time travel, meaning all
> >the story has no purpose at all ! So Skynet sent a Terminator in the
> >past to kill John Connor, but who cares, it will just create a new
> >world where there is no John Connor, but do nothing in the universe
> >where Skynet lost the war. And if parallel universes exist, there is
> >an infinite number of them, so one more, one less, why the f... send
> >someone in the past to stop the Terminator ?
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> There is no need for there to be alternate futures or parallel universes
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n
> existence, only the one, which changes. =A0However, changing the future
> doesn't change the past, even the past that includes someone who came
back=
> from the (now changed) future.
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There are only 2 possibilities with time travel: there is only one
universe or a multitude of universes.
If there is only one, then the instant that the first T1000 was sent,
before Reese could be sent also, he changed the past and there was no
John Connor. Of course we have also the problem that JC's father is
from the future or that, in T2, Skynet was born from the terminator -
Skynet was born from Skynet. Since sending the first (or any other)
Terminator did not change the future the instant it happened (that
John Reese was sent 1 mn or 20 years after the Terminator is the exact
same thing), it means that we are dealing with alternative universes,
meaning that time travel is in fact dimension travel (like in
Sliders), so why send Reese in the past at all ? That will not affect
anything in your universe.
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