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Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma?

by jojo <jojlolo@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 8, 2008 at 01:29 AM

On Feb 8, 9:34=A0am, David Johnston <da...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 22:58:05 -0800 (PST), jojo <jojl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>
> >> There is no need for there to be alternate futures or parallel
universe=
s in
> >> existence, only the one, which changes. =A0However, changing the
future=

> >> doesn't change the past, even the past that includes someone who came
b=
ack
> >> from the (now changed) future.
>
> >There are only 2 possibilities with time travel: there is only one
> >universe or a multitude of universes.
> >If there is only one, then the instant that the first T1000 was sent,
> >before Reese could be sent also, he changed the past
>
> How is the concept of "instant" meaningful when talking about time
> travel? =A0
>

That's exactly what I am saying. By "instant" I mean that at the exact
moment the first T1000 went back to time, the world from when he came
from ceased to exist - if there was only one universe. So no Reese can
have come after him.

> and there was no
>
> >John Connor. Of course we have also the problem that JC's father is
> >from the future or that, in T2, Skynet was born from the terminator -
> >Skynet was born from Skynet. Since sending the first (or any other)
> >Terminator did not change the future the instant it happened
>
> Oh see, you're making up rules again. =A0

No I am stating the obvious.

What if history doesn't change
> until there's no chance that it can't be changed back? =A0What if
> historical changes take "time" to propagate forward?

This is nonsense, illogical and irrational.

=A0What if being
> close to the time machine protects you from historical changes? What
> if you have the same time to send someone else back that it takes the
> terminator to actually change history before the change happens? What
> if what really happened was Connor's role in the resistance was taken
> by some other guy who sent Reese back but Reese going back changed
> history again so Reese now remembered it as being Connor who had sent
> him back? =A0And above all, what if it is impossible to change history
> in the first place so everyone's actions are predestined and their
> consciousnesses are just along for the ride? =A0
 




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Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
jojo <jojlolo@[EMAIL P  2008-02-08 01:29:42 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"Victor Velazquez&qu  2008-02-08 08:46:02 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-08 17:11:12 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
George W Harris <gharr  2008-02-08 17:42:01 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-08 23:56:42 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"Joetheone" <  2008-02-09 00:17:33 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
George W Harris <gharr  2008-02-08 19:21:08 

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