"Arthur Lipscomb" <arthur@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "David Johnston" <david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:10:18 -0500, "KalElFan"
>> <kalelfan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>"David Johnston" <david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:21:52 -0500, "KalElFan"
>>>> <kalelfan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"David Johnston" <david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:40:27 -0500, "KalElFan"
>>>>>> <kalelfan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But a time travel story only a couple of decades old, where the
first
>>>>>>>TV series is asking you to ignore the iconic 1st and the massively
>>>>>>>successful 2nd movie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean the same way the 2nd movie ignored the first?
>>>>>
>>>>>Hardly. The 2nd movie got huge mileage out of the switch -- the
>>>>>second Arnie version being a protector rather than a Terminator.
>>>>>It did nothing to fundamentally alter the first movie's premise.
>>>>>John Connor was still fathered by the protector from the first
>>>>>movie.
>>>>
>>>> But the future that produced that protector? Not there.
>>>
>>>It's not necessary that the exact future that produced that protector
>>>be there.
[snippage of my challenge for proof, which David Johnston could
not produce]
>> The premise of the first move was that history can't be changed and
>> all events are predestined. The premise of the second movie was that
>> things aren't predestined and history can be changed. The premise of
>> the third move is that history can be changed but it don't matter a
>> lick.
>
> Wasn't the "no fate" line introduced in the first movie? If history
could
> not be changed there would be no point in sending back the first
> terminator or Reese to stop it.
And David's only response was that the machines thought they had no
choice but to try. Obviously even they didn't buy into the "premise"
David offered up as no substitute for proof.
Vulcans were operating under the principle time travel was impossible
at one point. The "premise" of the first movie, as David Johnston or
anyone else might characterize it or opine on, does not preclude more
information and revised interpretations.
I liked this series before I ventured into this thread, but I like it a
lot
more now after it, and the franchise, have held up so well against the
forces of Nitpickdom and the like. :-) Of course it could all go to
crap, but right now they have it all beautifully set up for a great
run and ending that enhances everything that`s come before.
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