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Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma?

by "Dimensional Traveler" <dtravel@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 9, 2008 at 06:35 PM

KalElFan wrote:
> "Warchild" <bob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:bob-6C4F94.22152108022008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> In article <MPG.22171a3c569c1f1798ba5c@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>> Pete B <xxxh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <fhpnq3tjuk3q0pt0rji8t8h67oqs2igns1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>>> david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 says...
>>>
>>>>> Why would this TV series have gone through hoops to reconcile
>>>>> itself to Terminator 3 (by skipping ahead),
>>>>
>>>> No, they contradicted Terminator 3 (by skipping ahead),
>>>
>>> No, they changed the future.
>>
>> As far as the TV series is concerned, the events of T3 simply never
>> occur.
>
> Cameron specifically references Sarah's death from cancer in that
> timeline. It's part of the rationale for Future John Connor seeding
> the time machine that allowed our three protagonists to skip forward.
> The writers got Sarah Connor for their series that way, but it also
> works beautifully within the story as part of Future John Connor's
> motivation.
> Your reverse-order theory is a good one in the sense the trips back
> don't have to occur in the same sequence in the future, or be tied to
> a specific date.  As iterative changes get made to the past AND/OR
> the future, and things get progressively better for humanity,
> Judgment Day might get moved back or forward, or finally downgraded to a

> conventional (i.e.,
> non-nuclear) struggle with the machines.  Even the order of missions
> might change or flip places, from Future John Connor`s POV.
>
> At this point though, I think this TV series -- let's call it T3a --
> does have to have been initiated in the future AFTER the T3 iteration
> has played out. Otherwise Cameron could not have known Sarah died.
>
> Let's hypothesize this TV series is actually the FIRST mission back
> from Future John Connor's point of view.  He's holding his own and
> perhaps starting to win the post-Judgment Day war, but time travel
> technology is coming online as he of course knew it would.  Having 
> prepared for
> that day, he's mapped out his step- by-step strategy to counter the
> machine efforts to win via a time war.
>
> At that point, he's winning because at the end of T3 he started the
> whole resistance movement from that bunker, and gradually turned the
> tide.  He knows he must send back Reese at some point, and the good
> Arnie at two points (T2 and T3), to counter the three terminators.

Nitpick: John Connor did not sent the T3 protector Arnie back.  His wife
did 
after it had killed the post-Judgement Day John Connor.

(There's also the matter of Skynet sending that particular model of 
Terminator after John because it knew that another one of the same series 
had been his childhood protector (T2) and counted on John's sentimentality

to let it get close enough.)

-- 
"Reading by the light of a lost Christmas day
It begins...."
 




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Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"KalElFan" <  2008-02-07 12:34:48 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
William George Ferguson &  2008-02-07 12:02:58 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"KalElFan" <  2008-02-07 15:57:00 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Pete B <xxxh@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-08 02:48:36 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-08 05:21:10 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Pete B <xxxh@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-09 02:03:09 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-09 01:31:30 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Warchild <bob@[EMAIL P  2008-02-08 22:15:21 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Pete B <xxxh@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-09 16:58:15 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Warchild <bob@[EMAIL P  2008-02-09 13:20:55 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Pete B <xxxh@[EMAIL PR  2008-02-10 03:14:39 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Doc O'Leary <droleary.  2008-02-09 10:36:21 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-09 19:43:32 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
Warchild <bob@[EMAIL P  2008-02-09 13:18:22 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"KalElFan" <  2008-02-09 17:39:18 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"Dimensional Travele  2008-02-09 18:35:36 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"KalElFan" <  2008-02-10 00:48:44 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"Default User"   2008-02-07 20:57:54 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
George W Harris <gharr  2008-02-07 16:36:58 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"KalElFan" <  2008-02-08 00:14:06 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-08 07:25:23 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
George W Harris <gharr  2008-02-08 04:12:15 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"KalElFan" <  2008-02-08 15:40:30 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
George W Harris <gharr  2008-02-08 17:46:21 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"Joetheone" <  2008-02-08 23:57:57 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
"KalElFan" <  2008-02-08 22:21:55 
Re: Is "Terminator" stuck in a "Gilligan's Island"-style dilemma
David Johnston <david@  2008-02-07 23:37:49 

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